When it doesn't fit anywhere else
 #96869  by vwjodyme
 
i'm probably more of a beginner than most on here, but i plan on using it to get my soloing down. Laying down backing tracks for songs on the looper and working out the solo over it. if it's a particularly difficult solo i will just play the rhythm parts slowly. i figure it will save me a lot of rewinding (if it's still called that with cd's :lol: ).
plus i think you can down load parts of a song from an mp3 and loop them until you get it down
 #96874  by old man down
 
Ok, let me clarify a few things since I love this technology so much, even though I am a techno n00b. (don’t even own a computer, lol)

Do not buy the single pedal looper. You have to upgrade to the new version of the Jam Man in order to get what you need. MF sells it for $299, so only $100 more than the single pedal one. (The single pedal one looks like a “real drag” to use since you have to double click the switch to stop it, you cannot cancel out vocals from recordings, and there may not even be the auto-start-at-the-first-hint-of-a-signal capability, which is a must, for example.) The new Jam Man has little metallic button-pedals compared to the old Jam Man, btw.

As to what I’m doing when I’m trying to learn something, let’s continue with the Half Step routine I set up last Saturday. I’m doing everything from a CD in my CD player and the CD player can pause at any point in time within the song. Not only that, but it can rewind back to any point in time to try to hone in on where to start a loop snippet. Computers can do this too. (I suppose a lot of stuff can do this.)

When I first tried Half Step, I only had about 10 slots in succession to fit into the looper for learning the parts of the song I needed to work on. (like the Jer leads) So I compromised my learning the leads to two snippets for each entire lead. These snippets were WAY too long and I couldn’t work up a breakthrough into exactly what Jer was doing. I’d learn the first few notes, hit the stop, then repeat, but then when I’d try to get the next few notes, the first few would have to play first and before I knew it things would jumble together in my mind and the process would bog down considerably, without advantage. Slowing things down would mean waiting even longer for the latter notes that I was trying to learn to come by, and things would really bog down. So, I knew I had to subdivide the Jer phrases even further and stop being so lazy about deleting previous worthless files or shifting files to new locations to make enough room (unoccupied files) to get all of the snippets for Half Step lined up in succession.

My CD player has a microphone outlet that matches the AUX input of the Jam Man. That’s the feed. This is the same size output as that from a computer, so you can go to archive dot org or You Tube, for example, and apply the same approach using your computer in the same manner that I do using CDs.

When you’re doing all of this, your guitar is not in hand. To get this all working, snippets lined up in a row as partial phrases, it takes probably an hour or more. But once you’ve got it right, then you’re off to the races on learning a song.

The output from the looper goes into an amp, or maybe you can direct it to your computer’s speakers. Don’t know. I use an amp. When you play the song from the computer you hear it through the amp, not through your computer’s speakers since the patch cord mutes the computer’s speakers.

Here is an example that may help you. On You Tube there is the JGB Reuben & Cherise, the really tasty one. At the end there are the really nice solos. The two-pedal Jam Man has the choice of what the noise cancelling will be. Toggle through it while you listen to the song playing through the Jam Man into your amp and choose the setting that brings out Jer the best.

Stop your computer just before the start of the tasty solo. Set the Jam Man on Auto Start and hit the Record pedal. (It will wait for a signal before turning on and start recording.) Then, using both hands, one hand on the Jam Man Stop pedal and one hand on the computer start/stop playing capability, hit the computer start/stop. The song will start playing and be recorded exactly where you wanted it to. Then just as the last note of the short snippet finishes, maybe a quarter of the Jer phrase, hit the Jam Man Stop pedal and hit the computer start/stop.

Next, review the Jam Man recording to see if it got it right at the start and stopped where you intended it to. If you like it, then save it. If not, then start over. Let’s say you liked it and saved it. Now move to the next higher number file location. Your computer will already be at the right point in time for the next snippet. Repeat the process again. And so on, and so on. Try to make the snippets perfect phrases. This means that if you could see the music as sheet music, your snippets would start and finish at the beginning and end of a measure.
 #96876  by Adam Deckard
 
dleonard wrote:Besides practicing original material, how is this better than jamming along to cds or the archive?
You can also use it WITH the cds and the archive. My single pedal boss looper has an aux cable. I hook my laptop up to it just like you would a pair of headphones, and you can record phrases from anything you want. The difference is that it will go on forever. I have tried jamming along with songs, but if your running through scales trying find some cool shit to use 3:30 ain't enough practice and sure you could always just put something on repeat on the cd player but its not the same. Another idea is that if your in a band (im not but..) you could probably get your rhythm guy/bass player etc to record his phrases on it and give it back to you to practice on top of the shit that he plays. I vote Jam man though even though i have never used one, with my pedal you can lay down one loop, and then lay down additional loops on top, but you can only delete the last one you laid down so then u gotta hunch down and twist a knob, push a button twice, twist knob back :-x Also, i heard somewhere a while back that keller williams used a jam man for a while. is got two pedals must be better.

ok i just pulled this up on ebay...
http://cgi.ebay.com/1-AUTH-DEALER-Boome ... 2eb419e3fb

If you are serious or rich enough to spend over 500 on a musitronics pedal that only does one thing then get the boomerang. If you want something to use for performing get the boomerang. If you want to transcribe then get the one that dude was talking about where he could single out the notes. If you just want something to play along with endlessly for practice with scales and licks and stuff all you need is the boss single pedal but I still paid 180 for that one used!

If you don't have a looper get one. It will improve your timing, fluency with your scales cause practicing them is more fun. Here is a vid i made playin with the looper. Iv just looked at it again its a boss rc2 and i have a little thing that you can plug multiple instruments into and it runs into whatever you want, there are four foot switches for each jack input kind of like a hub for network cables.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-SjyipWMg4

 #96882  by vwjodyme
 
Awesome vid! must have one now :cool:

ps. i wish my dog would sit still when i'm playing :lol:
 #97462  by Octal
 
I have a Boss RC-2 looper. It doesn't really have that many features like Pete B. was describing with his (which is awesome), but it works. I don't really have that many people to jam with, so the looper helps fill a gap. My biggest annoyance is that it can't respond to what I'm doing: it may let me play a 10 minute solo that real people wouldn't, but it won't follow where I end up at the end of the 10 minutes.