[strumminsix]

My 2 cents:
- get a good stereo mix - makes a band sound fuller
- less reverb
- take time and really, really, dial in the room
- only put instruments into the PA that need it
- double the time you take dialing in

We do alot of gigs and don't use a subwoofer and sound very nice.

[iampigsnout]

Thanks so much for the input. We do run in mono, not stereo, but it's been so long that we've done it that I'm not sure why it got going that way. Mmm?
One last question then, is anyone doing any significant signal processing for the monitor feed? Anything more than eq?

Again, thanks for the help
tb

[Stone]

Thanks so much for the input. We do run in mono, not stereo, but it's been so long that we've done it that I'm not sure why it got going that way. Mmm?
One last question then, is anyone doing any significant signal processing for the monitor feed? Anything more than eq?

Again, thanks for the help
tb

I have a EQ inserted on all 4 mon ch's and the lead vocals,acc gtr,sax get split and have there own ch strip dedicated to there mon feed. Thats it for me.

[strumminsix]

As I do sound from the stage the mon mix is same as mains. And yes, stereo as well. You just get used to hearing things that way.

[JonnyBoy]

Since you already are using a powered speakers you basically have a "driverack" in each of your QSC speakers. These are already processed with the proper limiting,eq and designed to use there crossover point. The "auto RTA" functions produce ok results at best and could put you further from your target. A good eq used to make cuts to compensate for abnormal things in the room sounds like the ticket for the OP.


A PA system definitely takes some tuning to get it right. We sometimes have a opening band and you can learn alot about your system and get it tweeked a lil before show time. A sound guy inst something we work without. However a bad one can be night mare also.

The drive rack does way more than than EQing and is way more involved than the panel on a K-12. Pink and white noise processing ,volume adjustments . They can be used in power speaker situations too.

* Linkable 28-Band graphic equalizer, real time analyzer, and auto EQ
* Automatic feedback eliminator and EQ for immediate sound improvement
* 120A Subharmonic synthesizer, crossovers, parametric EQs, and Peak Plus limiters and alignment delay
* Industry-standard dbx stereo compressor

* USB connectivity makes it easy to update speaker and amp settings
* Stereo feedback elimination with 12 feedback notch filters
* Full-time RTA
* Dual 28-band Graphic EQ
* Classic dbx compressor
* 120A Sub-harmonic synthesizer
* 2 x 2, 2 x 3, 2 x 4, 2 x 5, 2 x 6 crossover configurations
* Stereo Multi-band Parametric EQ
* Stereo Output Limiters
* Alignment Delay
* Pink Noise Generator
* Auto-EQ with 28-Band RTA
* JBL speaker and Crown power amp tunings with Setup Wizard
* 25 user programs /25 factory programs
* 2-channel XLR input and 6-channel XLR output
* Front-panel RTA-M XLR input with phantom power
* 24-bit ADC/24-bit DAC, >110dB dynamic range
* Power on/off mute circuitry
* Front-panel mute buttons
* TypeIV conversion system
* Full graphic LCD display

I have to agree, one could have problems with the wizard, but many venues are successfully using this system and wouldn't do without it now that they know how to use it. not bad for $500. you can pick and choose what you want it to do, in the case of crossovers, turn them off. this may be way more involved for the OP, but a rack of EQ's for each instrument aint cheap either. This will eq the final sound to the room, according to its purpose, in stereo too.

[Stone]

Since you already are using a powered speakers you basically have a "driverack" in each of your QSC speakers. These are already processed with the proper limiting,eq and designed to use there crossover point. The "auto RTA" functions produce ok results at best and could put you further from your target. A good eq used to make cuts to compensate for abnormal things in the room sounds like the ticket for the OP.


A PA system definitely takes some tuning to get it right. We sometimes have a opening band and you can learn alot about your system and get it tweeked a lil before show time. A sound guy inst something we work without. However a bad one can be night mare also.

The drive rack does way more than than EQing and is way more involved than the panel on a K-12. Pink and white noise processing ,volume adjustments . They can be used in power speaker situations too.

* Linkable 28-Band graphic equalizer, real time analyzer, and auto EQ
* Automatic feedback eliminator and EQ for immediate sound improvement
* 120A Subharmonic synthesizer, crossovers, parametric EQs, and Peak Plus limiters and alignment delay
* Industry-standard dbx stereo compressor

* USB connectivity makes it easy to update speaker and amp settings
* Stereo feedback elimination with 12 feedback notch filters
* Full-time RTA
* Dual 28-band Graphic EQ
* Classic dbx compressor
* 120A Sub-harmonic synthesizer
* 2 x 2, 2 x 3, 2 x 4, 2 x 5, 2 x 6 crossover configurations
* Stereo Multi-band Parametric EQ
* Stereo Output Limiters
* Alignment Delay
* Pink Noise Generator
* Auto-EQ with 28-Band RTA
* JBL speaker and Crown power amp tunings with Setup Wizard
* 25 user programs /25 factory programs
* 2-channel XLR input and 6-channel XLR output
* Front-panel RTA-M XLR input with phantom power
* 24-bit ADC/24-bit DAC, >110dB dynamic range
* Power on/off mute circuitry
* Front-panel mute buttons
* TypeIV conversion system
* Full graphic LCD display

I have to agree, one could have problems with the wizard, but many venues are successfully using this system and wouldn't do without it now that they know how to use it. not bad for $500. you can pick and choose what you want it to do, in the case of crossovers, turn them off. this may be way more involved for the OP, but a rack of EQ's for each instrument aint cheap either. This will eq the final sound to the room, according to its purpose, in stereo too.

Peple "successfully" using a driverack has been very slim in my experience. It truly depends on the rig and situation. IMO theres alot of wasted software there just to use the EQ. Have you ever used a driverack? Going thru my menu to make on the fly EQ adjustment vs having a analog unit right there is huge in my book, especially if for some reason your running sound on stage. The list of "features" says it all. The RTA stuff IME has been better left to some kind of measurement rig . The Phonic paa3 is a great tool. (and cheaper then a driverack. No need for limiters as those are in the QSC K series. In fact most passive systems the power amps contain the proper DSP needed. (modern amps). The driverack PA is also a huge seller for the market of guys who think they need or want a "driverack" regardless of rig. IMO the DR260 is twice the unit and a lil more of an example of a more practical unit. And the Driverack PX is a total waste of money. Theres nothing in the menu other then the EQ that can help the problem the OP is having.

How you are recording these shows and listening to them could be selling your system short. We all know how well a AUD recording can be done with good mics played back on a good reference system. . A Tascam/zoom lil recorder can get a good recording but may not paint the sonic picture here. Before throwing money at gear the OP would be better served hiring a good sound tech to run it one night and see what the results are. Prob the best $$ he could spend.

[myoung6923]

Thanks so much for the input. We do run in mono, not stereo, but it's been so long that we've done it that I'm not sure why it got going that way. Mmm?
One last question then, is anyone doing any significant signal processing for the monitor feed? Anything more than eq?

Again, thanks for the help
tb

We have 4 monitor mixes with an EQ for each. Also, delay and reverb are run into their own channels that way we can send it into each monitor mix as needed. I think that it's important to have a representative amount in the monitors that equals the mains. You can then play with the effect vocally - it helps a ton - but it can also be a source of feedback if you aren't careful with it