Chat about Equipment Info
 #81270  by JonnyBoy
 
They are 4x12 towers from the early-mid 1970's owner can't tell if they are either JBL loaded or if they are black widdow. it appears they have a hole in the dome, does anyone know what kind of speakers these are? I can't find a thing about them..
 #81272  by tcsned
 
I know the early black widows had metal domes like that - not sure about the holes. I used to see a lot of old Peavey stuff at my music store and those look pretty familiar. My guess is that they are Peavey speakers.
 #81274  by JonnyBoy
 
I know, the holes threw me off too. I would assume older 1201 black widdow speakers. Did they make a scorpion with metal domes? The guy is 66 and opened up for Creedence years ago. He said he wishes he kept all his old gear, including an early 60's les paul he sold in the early 70's for a few hundred dollars. Maybe Brad might know.... I have found a 4x10 tower but not a 4x12.
 #81276  by nabco
 
Quite possibly a Pyle speaker........ I have a 15" cab with the same looking grill and the metal dome with the black hole. The black hole on mine is actually a circular piece of Velcro.
My best guess is most likely NOT JBL or Black Widows................ Hope this helps.
 #81277  by JonnyBoy
 
nabco wrote:Quite possibly a Pyle speaker........ I have a 15" cab with the same looking grill and the metal dome with the black hole. The black hole on mine is actually a circular piece of Velcro.
My best guess is most likely NOT JBL or Black Widows................ Hope this helps.

Thanks for sharing I'll look into that, but the guy said they were actually "Holes" and for the life of me I don't think I've ever seen that.
 #81282  by ugly rumor
 
pull a speaker and give me the numbers on it, and I can probably tell you what it is, who used it, power handling capabilities, etc.
 #81303  by NeebruM
 
WHY would you have a dust cap, then put a hole in it for dust to get in? :P

I can see why they're not around anymore...
 #81304  by SarnoMusicSolutions
 
I was gonna say they looked like Pyle Driver speakers with the vented screen hole in the center of the dustcaps. But if someone recognizes them as CTS, then that's likely it. Maybe they're the same. I was never a big fan of those. I don't think the Black Widow was developed until 77 or so after they kept blowing their Peavey labeled JBL's in the bigger amps. I would be off on the timing. I just recall that their steel guitar amp, the Session 400 that was introduced in '74, first came with real JBL's but with a Peavey marking on it. They offered a 1-15" and a 2-12" version. Jerry Reed endorsed the 2-12" version for guitar, and a lot of steel players endorsed the 1-15" version. But they kept frying the K130s and K120's in there, so as I understand it, Peavey cloned the basic cone and voice coil and geometry of the JBL's, gave them a slightly larger voice coil gap, and higher power handling than the blowable JBL's. I think that was the birth of the Black Widow. The Session 400 amps put out about 225 watts, more than double a Fender Twin, and that was when the whole steel world began to gravitate toward transistor amps and away from their 80 watt, relatively high maintenance and heavy Twins.

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 #81351  by JonnyBoy
 
Ding Ding Ding!!! Who ever said CTS was right and since you knew that much I will follow your advice about their quality. I was hoping I found a gem in the rough, sounds like a turd in the grass.... Thanks to everyone that helped me out, I was stumped, but I took everyone's info and found these on ebay that are identical.

Brad, have you ever messed around with any of these in that magic lab in St' Louis? Like mentioned above, I see they may not be worth a damn.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Set-8-Vintage-10-Sp ... 3a5b711991