#65413  by Dozin
 
I would agree with that statement ;)

Like Weir said,.. after Brent died they never hit on all cylinders again
 #65417  by bodiddley
 
Dozin wrote:I would agree with that statement ;)

Like Weir said,.. after Brent died they never hit on all cylinders again
I disagree strongly with that statement. I didn't care for Vince and generally dislike the bulk of post-Brent, but come on, they did some amazing stuff after Brent. So I guess some of my favorite GD is when a few cylinders weren't firing. Do you ever actually listen to some of this stuff with open ears?

Listen to this "Truckin", esp. the post jam. If this ain't all cylinders I don't know what is. There's tons of examples, this is but one.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd91-05- ... sbeok.shnf
 #65418  by Dozin
 
I'm just stating what Weir said. I thought there was some amazing moments. I thought there were some really weak moments. If you compare the power of the beast pre 90 to the era we're talking about I can understand what Weir's saying. He's probably talking a duration of a tour too or year, compared to a good night bad night kind of thing.

I know this, if they were still playing I'd still be going and I'm sure there would be some magic being made
 #65419  by bcresci
 
bodiddley wrote:
Listen to this "Truckin", esp. the post jam. If this ain't all cylinders I don't know what is. There's tons of examples, this is but one.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd91-05- ... sbeok.shnf
I can still find things in '91 that I like. It's everything after that is uninteresting to me. To me ears the sound became very electronic and dense and individual instruments didn't seem to have any room to maneuver. Like Vic said, in the early 70's there was nowhere to hide - you had to play well. Later on you could hide all over the place - either behind effects, or behind the density of the sound.

I saw Vince's first show with the band. The second I heard that keyboard my heart sank. Saw the band at the Omni in Atlanta (which had terrible sound even if they were playing well) in the mid 90's. It was so depressing I left during halftime.
 #65423  by NashvilleMike
 
bodiddley wrote:I disagree strongly with that statement. I didn't care for Vince and generally dislike the bulk of post-Brent, but come on, they did some amazing stuff after Brent. So I guess some of my favorite GD is when a few cylinders weren't firing. Do you ever actually listen to some of this stuff with open ears?
These comments concern more of the classic catalog of songs that they carried with them all the way to the end like Playin', UJB, China Cat, Scarlet etc...but it seems to me IMHO that the last few years the peaks they encountered musically were not as visceral as they were in earlier years. In the first 20 years of playing a song you can let it rip and sometimes it was brilliant and others not so much but after a number of years they learned all the little "tricks" to get the crowd reved up. For example China cat > Rider, earlier incarnations were more unpredictable and therefore more hit and miss but later versions were more consistent with the appropriate ones and cues being hit. They were kind of "phoning it in". Do you not think that the music (the Jerry/Bob show) had just run it's course over the course of so many years/shows/tours/every blue light cheap motel.
Is it possible for a band to be creative, en fuego, write new material, keep the classics fresh, replace valued members, play 80 shows a year, get along with each other and enjoy it for 30 years or more? I honestly don't think so, can you name a band that has? The Stones? They aren't even a real band anymore. McCartney? Same deal.
Perfection is fleeting and nothing lasts forever but the earth and sky.
 #65428  by kenneybonz
 
they did pretty darned well for down a cylinder or so, jeez, charlotte 93.. what a show.. rfk.. all of them.. though, the pastel sails they used on stage now seem a little off, looking backward...
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