#47519  by George
 
I thought this would be an interesting and potentially informative topic for discussion. I enjoy all eras of Jerry's playing with the GD - from the beginning thru the death of Brent - beyond the summer of 1990, I haven't found much that really pulls me in. In addition, I also enjoy most all of the incarnations of JGB and find much of his playing herein post-1990 to be magical.

Here's what got me thinking about this thread though: I've been listening to a ton of Europe '72 era playing in recent days and weeks and while I love it for a number of reasons, I think that when you listen closely and compare what many consider a real height or golden year ('72) with later years such as '89-'90 you see a real maturation in his playing. He's still unmistakenly Jerry Garcia, but I find his playing to be more subtle, jazzier, sophisticated perhaps, at times more inspired and evidence an artist who has clearly learned a great deal and honed his craft.

Much of the '72 era playing to me sounds like a young player with tons of passion, energy. exuberance, and bounce, but also begins to sound a bit repetitive and unsophisticated. Especially when compared with say a '91 Simple Twist of Fate or a '77 Peggy-O, etc.

Anyway, my purpose here isn't to bash or downplay any particular era, configuration or year at all, but rather to discuss and opine on Jerry's changes and growth as a player. There seems to always be massive interest and attention given to Jerry's gear and technology and its correlation to his tone development over the years, and less to how he actually grew as a player. So, please share your thoughts and opinions about how his playing and approach changed and grew over the years with both GD and JGB. Hope this is of interest to some folks!

 #47528  by Tennessee Jedi
 
With the Dead there is so much history you can really see the bands growth as musicians.
Around '73 Jerry starts sounding real good all the time, for me anyway.
Maybe its the years of playing;plus with being a rockstar you get lots of time to practice and jam with other great musicians.Not sure but he gets better after 72.
Much of the '72 era playing to me sounds like a young player with tons of passion, energy. exuberance, and bounce, but also begins to sound a bit repetitive and unsophisticated.
The live Bertha from Skull and Roses (1971 ?) is a good example of this - lots of energy and passion but some clams too
:D
The trade off was the long space/jazzy stuff for more polished "straight" tunes.
Sometimes I think of Jerry as Pre FX Jerry vs Post Fx Jerry.
Post Fx Jerry is the Estimated/ Stranger/ octave box/ midi Jerry.
Of course he did use pedals before that but one door closed and another opened in 76/77.
The Scarlet Fire years if you will.
A few months back Pete B. mentioned something he read about Jerry learning some stuff from Buck Owens guitarist.I've always felt that Jerrys electric playing had a "telecaster" influence - the chicken picking stuff.Maybe this was a turning point in Jerrys sound.
The Big River thing.The chicken picking;the bend and release stuff;the speed.He traded the spacey DarkStar free jazz thing for a more polished sound and feel.
I think kudos should go out to both guitarist's in the band for constantly looking to get better and improve.If Jerry and Bob sounded the same as they did in '65 than it would just be a Long Repetitive trip instead of a long strange trip.
:D

 #47529  by astroman99
 
I think all of the boys improved, and a high water mark for me for them would be 1974, I think they not only improved as musicians, but as listeners.
I think they continued to change and improve after that,and achieved other high water marks, but specifically Jerry changed/improved thru the '80's. fer sure!

I would write more but I feel like I am on death's door, just a cold, but as I get older I find it harder dealing with these bumps in the road!

 #47534  by old man down
 
astroman99, pick up a guitar and play a nice slow version of Black Peter. When you hit that F chord it'll make you feel better.

Get well.

For the topic at hand, all I can comment on is that I've been putting in at least two hours a day on acoustic, solely GD, for the last 4 years and my abilities have improved dramatically.

Now when I listen to versions on archive I know I can learn the stuff if I apply myself.

Just last night I was working on Lazy Lightning and I had been wondering where Jer came up with a certain riff and then found out he borrowed it from the walkdown Bobby chords. It was a high E string walkdown that Jer was doing, he probably found it just playing the chords, and then adopted it into a note run elsewhere, on terra firma scale patterns he was used to.

All of the little things you learn along the way finally hit a critical mass, and as weir said in his recent interview article, the guitar is a wonderfully laid out instrument for making music.

 #47539  by wisedyes
 
Hmmm, for myself, I would say that Jerry definitely matured up until about 1984 or so. After that, I don't really hear anything new in his playing, but ( with the occasional exceptions ) I hear a slow, steady deterioration in his chops.

During the 1970's, he absolutely made great strides as far as playing with more nuance, taste, dynamics, technique, and personality. For me, the years 1973 - 1983 were his "high water" marks of his playing abilities.

Don't get me wrong, there were times into the early 90's where he could still kick it out and remind you of what he was capable of, but I think that it became rarer and rarer as the years went on.

Myself, I think the maturation showed by Bobby and Phil was actually more impressive. Jerry had more going for him at the start than they did.

 #47572  by Chuckles
 
Just to expand on TJ's take... all that chicken picken' stuff comes directly from Jer's background on banjo.

And I don't think he stopped learning... just listening to some of his evolving midi riffs demonstrates a completely different approach to phrasing as he switched "instruments".

And let's remember.. he had to completely relearn the instrument after the '86 coma.