A place to talk about the music of the Grateful Dead
KCJones wrote:Yeah the backing for Bob here is about as bad as it is in concert. Bob must be preety forgiving in this regard I guess. Many a Ratdog tune is lathened with poor backing VXs that are pretty embarassing.Yet another account of someone ragging Rat Dog. I'm sure they appreciate the love....
CountryMile Cadillac wrote:Bobby and all those other musicians are artists. They open themselves up for criticism every time they do something musical. It come with the territory. Liver is a food. without criticism nothing moves ahead. I am sure both jerry and bobby got to were they ended up not by people telling them they were great, but that they sucked. Robert johnson was once told that he was so bad at the guitar and singing that he should put it down. Some years later that same man said he heard the most beautiful music coming from a bar, low and behold, it was robert johnson playing and singing. van gogh was told he sucked his whole life. di vinci, bach, and bethoven, mozart all worked for their mastery, and though they are considered the best at what they did they are still criticized daily. so the point is, when we create art, we open ourselves up, and sometimes people throw shit at us and we just deal with it. i don't think kcjones is an asshole for saying what he thinks. and i don't think bobby gives a shit what a couple of deadheads write about him on a dead forum, he has been told he sucks his whole life. And yeah i love seeing ratdog perform, but the singing does blow. you can't repress peoples ideas because you think its unfair to the musicians just because we draw enjoyment out of it.KCJones wrote:Yeah the backing for Bob here is about as bad as it is in concert. Bob must be preety forgiving in this regard I guess. Many a Ratdog tune is lathened with poor backing VXs that are pretty embarassing.Yet another account of someone ragging Rat Dog. I'm sure they appreciate the love....
I find it embarrassing that people mouth people that have given them so much joy. It is crazy, if you don't enjoy it so what, but what do you get out of talking smack?
I'm just can't believe the shit that is thrown at Bob and Rat Dog, I think it is stupid to put that kind of energy into something that you do not care for.
For example I hate liver, but I don't go around talking shit about it. You know what else I don't like.... assholes.
CountryMile Cadillac wrote: I don't think the term food should be used so loosley when referring to a filter. And as a chef, food is art my dear friend!you eat it, right? then its a food. Anyway, as a chef, a master of the culinary arts, have you not drawn inspiration from criticism? Get real, you know you have. for me, as a historian, writing papers and articles is art, and i welcome criticisms from all points of view. i may think some of those criticisms suck, and are not grounded in merit, but fuck it, life goes on, man. again, without criticism, nothing moves forward, there is no innovation of ideas, therefore no growth. in someways it safe to say that bob and ratdog should receive more criticism, maybe it will force him to step up his game a little bit. I mean i hate it when i botch lyrics on a tune. it bugs me with jerry, it bugs me with bob, and it bugs me with myself. jerry flubbed all the time, and bobby and i do it at least twice a show, the only difference is you can check me out for free, not forty clams.
st. stephen wrote:The Dead was never really known for their great harmonization, were they? But I like it nonetheless.....
Anyway, Phish does a great star spangled banner, you can see it on YT.
willmusic wrote:No, you're not alone. Sometimes the harmomies worked. It was beautiful when they did, but it didn't happen too often.st. stephen wrote:The Dead was never really known for their great harmonization, were they? But I like it nonetheless.....
Anyway, Phish does a great star spangled banner, you can see it on YT.
Yes. They were. At least at times. Am I alone on this one? Cause, as hit or miss as they were, they really did some nice vocal work on occasion. Some versions of, well, a lot of tunes come to mind.
willmusic wrote:Nope you are not alone. Their harmonies could be absolutely superb, especially in the Brent era.st. stephen wrote:The Dead was never really known for their great harmonization, were they? But I like it nonetheless.....
Anyway, Phish does a great star spangled banner, you can see it on YT.
Yes. They were. At least at times. Am I alone on this one? Cause, as hit or miss as they were, they really did some nice vocal work on occasion. Some versions of, well, a lot of tunes come to mind.
