#43716  by Django
 
I finally listened to the famous 05-09-'77 Barton Hall concert. I have resisted this, mainly for the same reason I resisted 'Dark Side of the Moon' for at least a year after it came out; if it is that popular, it's just not select enough for my tastes. That and I am a '72 - '74 fan.
I was wrong about 'DSOTM' and I was impressed with Barton Hall!
Now I know that there are many (5?) DPs from 1977. Since this year is under represented for me save for my favorite, Swing Auditorium, which feels like a '76 show to me; I think this would be a good candidate year for a DP.
What are your suggestions - debate is encouraged!

 #43719  by bodiddley
 
Barton Hall is 5-8-77. I'd like to see some of the 3-18 thru 3-20-77 run as an official release someday. 3-18 has one of my favorite "Sugaree's" and "Brown Eyed Women" ever. Check out that monster stand alone "Scarlet" on 3-20. Wowie Zowie! Your right about the Swing show...freakin' great.

 #43741  by DenverEd
 
Me likes 5/26/77.

 #43744  by penny3000
 
Yes, Barton Hall kicks serious ass, especially the Scarlet Begonias>Fire on the Mountain. And as bodiddley mentioned, that show is actually 5/8/77. However, the dates surrounding that show, 5/7/77 and 5/9/77 are also very solid shows which can both be listened to on www.archive.org or downloaded from stash.nugs.net.

'77 was indeed a very good year for the dead, best year for them if you ask me and a lot of others, although that will come down to opinion and taste. May '77 is full of awesome shows.

If you wanna read more reviews of all the dead's albums and dick's picks, I came across a website that has reviews of them all and is pretty informative... http://www.thebestofwebsite.com/Bands/GD.htm
Or you could just check out Amazon.com, also has reviews and ratings that come in useful, although it doesn't have dick's picks reviews past 24 or something, cuz amazon is not allowed to sell the newest dick's picks or something.

 #43765  by Emoto
 
I was at a number of shows in '77. That was my peak year. Lots of really good ones. My favorite is out as a Dick's Pick 15: The Summer's End concert at Raceway Park in Englishtown, NJ. 150,000 people. NRPS opened, and then Marshall Tucker. It was an awesome show. Jerry's guitar is mixed lower in the DP version than it was on the PA that day and I think the recording suffers lisghtly for it, but it was a majestic show and well worth having.

Wish I had the two opening sets, especially Marshall Tucker. They really jammed out their tunes a la the dead. It was very nice.

 #45071  by TerraGin
 
Dick's Picks 10 is my favorite of the Dick's picks and one of my favorite 77 shows ever

 #45074  by DooDahDan
 
Favorites include most of May (5/9, 5/11, 5/25, 5/26, 5/28) mid-late October (10/11, 10/29, 10/30) and the early November shows.

I've compiled a file over the years of interviews with Dick and some of his old DNC posts. Here is his take on '77:

ABOUT 20 SHOWS THAT WOULD BE BETTER RELEASES THAN 5/8/77, FROM THE YEAR OF
1977.

1) 2/26 &2/27- The first 2 shows of the year, and together would make
a much better and way more fulfilling listening experience than Ithaca.

2)3/18->20/77- Winterland (although none stands alone completely, together
a 3-4 cd release seems an obvious choice.)

3) I have to pass on the Palladium,NYC shows, since I have never heard
them. They need to be baked and dbx decoded and we haven't got to a
whole slew of tapes in similar condition.

4) Both the night before and the night after (5/7 & 5/9) would
be more pleasing as releases.

5) I haven't heard the Chicago shows, but I have heard from friends that
something happened at one of them anyway.

6) The shows on 5/15, 5/17, 5/18 and 5/21 are each deserving notation,
and although they don't match up with 5/22, they are each more
satisfying than 5/8.

7) From what I hear from others (and what I saw myself, i.e., 5/28), the
final 3 shows from this amazing month of performances are each worthy of
many listenings.

8) Unfortunately, the 6/4 show in Los Angeles is missing from the vault
and from anyone's tape collection, as far as I know. Otherwise I would
toss this one in the pile of special shows.

9) The run of 3 at Winterland on 6/7->9, has some exceptional playing,
but not within a songle night, so this should probably be a compilation
of the 3 shows, with most of the emphasis on the first 2 nights.

10) Englishtown (9/3) needs no mention!

11) October is another of those months where there seems to be a
disproportionate number of excellent performances. The downside is that
the quality of the recordings leaves something to be desired. In the
first tour during this month, the standouts are 10/11, 10/12, 10/14 and
10/16. I think all three at the end of the month are qualifiers (10/28,
10/29 and 10/30).

12) Each of the next 5 nights rips Ithaca. But the 11/4->6 shows are
difficult to choose between. If I had to pick one of the three, I would
have to go with 11/6, although Rob Bertrando's choice of 11/4 is pretty
hard to pass up.

13) I think that many have overlooked the last 2 shows of the year,
since 12/29 was so startling. Neither approaches the completeness of
12/29, but I remember some fine playing during the 2nd set jams from
both nights.

So maybe this doesn't total 20 shows, but it gives a pretty clear idea of
where I place 5/8/77 amongst the meat from this year. I don't feel it's
necessary to point out what is specifically lacking on the 5/8 show, since
this would only further distance it from the shows listed above.
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 #45076  by pappypgh
 
77 is kick-ass...some of the best GD ever. The songs are extremely tight, but I will tell you why that year does not place at the top of my list.

The songs, as I mentioned, were tight...they were played very methodically and concise. When the big jams would come, however, there were MANY occasions where Jerry would "drift a bit too far from the shore" and get lost. Although he was reaching new levels this year with his chops, he also seemed to be delving HARD into heroin. The songs were all WAY slower, on average, than ever played before or since (this is true from 76 through 78, IMO), which is cool with me - different is good and it puts a new twist on a song...but I think that the jams slightly suffered for it. They lost some of that raw energy of 73-74.

My favorite period has to be 89-90. Brent's energy and B-3 prowess, combined with Jerry's cleanliness and the band's equal tightness (to that late-70s period tightness), combined with explosive, huge, exploratory jamming that seemed to have more direction than that late 70s period, is what makes it my favorite GD period.

I personally think THAT period (89-90) is WAY under-represented with GD releases.

 #45078  by Tennessee Jedi
 
I like the slower versions of the tunes.
Its a change over year - Jerrys leaving his old self behind with the "clean" sounds and going with the more modern sounding pedal board tones ....
The 89/90 years were great.They were peaking as a band ...
You would think that they would release some 89/90 stuff as that demographic probably spends the most cash on crap ....
There are some 89/90 shows out there but not enough.....
:smile:

 #45092  by devil
 
11-04-77 is a great 77 show also.

I really like this part

Playing In The Band ->
Eyes Of The World ->
Estimated Prophet ->
The Other One ->
Drums ->
Iko Iko ->
Stella Blue ->
Playing In The Band

(*edit The Aud on archive is great)


I know it isn't cool to say so but some of my fav 77 versions are from 5-8-77
They Love Each Other, Brown Eyed Women, Mama Tried, Row Jimmy, Morning Dew

Bertha, China>Rider>China Doll from DP10
Wharf Rat DP3

Terrapin from early 77 can't recall the date 2/?/77

that's my best of 77 off the top of my head.

 #45371  by Django
 
Thanks all for your great input. I'm leaning toward Englishtown because I just like the name. It seems the likes are as varied as the folks on this thread, no strong favorite stood out.

I will say that listening today to disc 3 of 3/19/'77 Winterland may have convinced me that it is the best chunk of Dead music I have.

Barton Hall 5/9 :oops:

 #45388  by bucketorain
 
pappypgh wrote: My favorite period has to be 89-90. Brent's energy and B-3 prowess, combined with Jerry's cleanliness and the band's equal tightness (to that late-70s period tightness), combined with explosive, huge, exploratory jamming that seemed to have more direction than that late 70s period, is what makes it my favorite GD period.

I personally think THAT period (89-90) is WAY under-represented with GD releases.
I would have to agree here..I do really enjoy the 77's, that's for sure. I guess with 89-90, for me, it seems like they got their shit together and it was just clicking along the track perfectly. Maybe it was the technology that kicked in? my 2c

 #45448  by hesgone95
 
pappypgh wrote:there were MANY occasions where Jerry would "drift a bit too far from the shore" and get lost. Although he was reaching new levels this year with his chops, he also seemed to be delving HARD into heroin.
Was jerry on the junk in '77? I was under the impression that he didn't get turned on until '78 in Egypt.

Refering to the Terrapin from earlier in the year, I believe it was 2/26/77. It was the first I believe.

I think my fave of '77 has to be Pembroke Pines on 5/22/77. IMHO the best Lazy>Supp for my ear...

A great year definitely, but I tend to lean more t'wards '76 and my fave era would be '72-74.

 #45451  by Mick
 
pappypgh wrote:My favorite period has to be 89-90. Brent's energy and B-3 prowess, combined with Jerry's cleanliness and the band's equal tightness (to that late-70s period tightness), combined with explosive, huge, exploratory jamming that seemed to have more direction than that late 70s period, is what makes it my favorite GD period.

I personally think THAT period (89-90) is WAY under-represented with GD releases.
Strong agreement here. My wife and I were talking about this a few months ago, that looking back on it, the era where we were regularly going to shows ('85-'91) possibly contained the very peak of the band's excellence. It was hard to know that dancing in the crowd though, we just knew they were damn good.