[tigerstrat]

The topic is Rock tunes with no words. Bluegrass and jazz are a much wider subject... but if we are widening the topic, how about Beethoven's 3rd Symphony? Also Sprach Zaruthustra!

The Eleven and Dark Star have some of my favorite lyrics ever. Now is the test of the boomerang! Returning thought jewels polished and gleaming! Shall we go?

[amyjared]

The topic is Rock tunes with no words.

How is this defined? Mood for a Day and Clap are both classical tunes done by a rock star. Does that qualify them? The Eleven is a jazz song done by a rock band. Does that disqualify it? Plus, as you astutely point out, it has lyrics. Doc Watson has played electric guitar in a rock band. Does that qualify his work? Not trying to bust chops, but I think the definition needs to be defined before we can include or exclude.

[sarraqum]

Eleven is not strictly a jazz tunes, it doesn't have any seventh chords.

This has nothing to do with anything what so ever so I'll quit while I am ahead.

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[tigerstrat]

I cannot agree that The Eleven was a jazz tune! I would be much quicker to characterize Dark Star that way, but only when it swings or bops...

If it rocks it's Rock! Even if it's Doc! or schlock!

[spilly]

one may see it as a jazz tune due to the unusual timing. the song got it's name becuase it's in 11/4

[sarraqum]

In theory spilly, you are correct. But isn't it the particular use of seventh that makes jazz stand out from aother genres of music?

Don't take this seriously, I am just saying things for the argument's sake...

[tigerstrat]

Why does odd-timing make jazz? Most jazz is in 4/4 or 3/4-6/8 time. I guess any GD song can be thought of as "jazzy" from the right perspective, and ultimately an argument over "what is jazz" is one that can never be resolved to everyone's satisfaction (one of the Stones' jazziest ). Also, not to split hairs, but I think of it more as 11/8, or 6/8+5/8

[spilly]

interesting. Jazz, to me is defined by the use of diminished scales, and offset swing type timing. The main rule in jazz being "never play the same thing twice" it's "wanker's music" to quote the commitments.

the diminished scale being set the way it is so that repeating the same barre chord three frets up, will produce the same chord in a different order. this allows you the change "key" very easly. key being a figurate word as I don't see musch of a difference in dimineshed.

it's a lose form of music, whole step, half step, whole step, half step, the simplicity of the note set up to create the most complex chord structures.

fantastic stuff

[b weird]

How come no one said "Hot 'Lanta" by the Allmans?

[shakedown_04092]

--- Now, what was the tune Bobby wrote as a warm-up?

That would be "Weather Rport Suite Prelude" - also a great (albeit short) instrumental.

My favs would have to be:

First Tube
Peaches En Regalia
Buried Alive
Jessica
Frankenstein
Fantasia

Anything that Bruce Hornsby does as an instrumental is beautiful. His piano just ahs this one-of-a-kind distinct sound that I love.