#3027  by Shaggy
 
Thought of an idea where we can all discuss albums, recommend them and rate them etc... Our favourite ones from any artists, Grateful Dead included of course. In fact i was thinking of us running through the deads albums one by one.

Any input, guys...

Thanks... :-)

 #3040  by spilly
 
I would really like to start discussing albums as they tend to follow trends within the musicians, however i think going through the dead albums is a usless endeavor. the albums seem to be thrown together as an obligation, most album versions tend to be week sauce compared to anything live.

I would like to discuss albums by others though. I feel that being limited to the the Dead greatly hinders the leaning proccess.

Neil Youngs harvest would be an exelent topic
or paul simons graceland.
and for anybody who really wants to get their feet wet, Buffalo Springfield retrospective

great idea man

 #3050  by abspatz
 
Neil Young...yes~

how bout After the Goldrush? :cool:

I could sit and play songs from that album all day

 #3056  by spilly
 
After the Goldrush is one of the greatest albums of aal time. I get chills when I listen to it.

I think the most phanominal thing about it is the somewhat haphazard guitar work, like the soloing on Down by the River, it's choppy and raw and can tear right through your soul. fantastic

unfortunatly my copy was destroyed, and now that you've brought it up, I have to go to the store

peace out

 #3060  by Shaggy
 
spilly wrote:I would really like to start discussing albums as they tend to follow trends within the musicians, however i think going through the dead albums is a usless endeavor. the albums seem to be thrown together as an obligation, most album versions tend to be week sauce compared to anything live.

I would like to discuss albums by others though. I feel that being limited to the the Dead greatly hinders the leaning proccess.

Neil Youngs harvest would be an exelent topic
or paul simons graceland.
and for anybody who really wants to get their feet wet, Buffalo Springfield retrospective

great idea man

I don't fully agree with the comment about the dead's albums. I think you correct in one way but Jerry Garcia had great regard for the studio and thought nothing of spending all day and night in there labouring over an album, he loved it, he loved the process of making an album, the art of creating. Sure enough when it was done and out he seemed to have littled regard for it. He had, by then, moved on.

I there are some great dead albums, I am one of a few that think a number of definitive versions of songs appeared on studio albums, in my eyes there are some great songs they never did as well live than they did on record. I also think that Anthem of the Sun was a masterpiece(albeit a ragged one) that was well ahead of it's time and still retains it's fiery and haunting power. But thats just my opinion(i know im alone in that probably!).

On Neil Young, I think he's created some terrific albums and some shockers too. He's been so prolific. I've not yet heard all of them and I haven't heard After the Gold Rush all through, but I do like the title track alot.

Harvest is an album I like alot and I think it's one of Neil's best sounding albums, though he seemed to hate where it put him...with Heart of Gold and all that "put me in the middle of the road so I headed for the ditch" - great line by Neil about Heart of Gold. I do prefer the darker albums like On The Beach. Are you Ready for the Country off Harvest is cool blues rocker, with nice slide guitar from the Dark Prince - Jack Nitzsche.

 #3061  by spilly
 
I will have to recant slightly about the GD albums. Blues for Allah was fantastic, and shurly Workingmans and American Beauty contain seminal versions of there prospective tunes.

back to Mr. Young. I'm a huge fan, but like others I have slacked off on paying close attention to his albums in the 80's.

I really enjoyed the rockabilly album, which was only made because the company asked him to return to his rock and roll roots.

What I'd really like to bring up is a highly disputed album, I believe it went by "trans" or something like it, my brain always wants to call it Tron, due to the obvious connection between 80's computed inspired entertainment.

most people seem to really hate this album, with it's computer generated voice and music. However i think more people should know the cercumstances behind the album and then give it another listen.

Neil Young has 2 sons with Downs Syndrom (at least I think it's Down's, my memory on the exact pasrticulars has slipped away)

one of his sons had, or still has voice box problems, so the doctors rigged him up with a sensor that would read his voice box and send the signal to a computer which would talk for him, this worked, but his son didn't seem to care for it, it was an impersonal vooice with no feeling that I would imagine could spark feelings of isolation in a child. So neil (who was at the time once again being pressured by the company to make a more modern album) had an idea.

he choose to write his album and voice completely with computers, this became an anthem for his son, an outlet. It was his way of helping his son cope.

with this in mind, i recomend giving the album another listen (or if you've never heard it, a first listen) you might find a hidden beauty in it, which i believe was the intention all together.

in another related story. Neils other son didn't respond to much as a symptom of his illness. one day Neil was playing with a Lyonell train set, his son came to life as he watched the plastic trains fly round the set. In responce to this Neil bought the entire Lyonell Train company.

A loving father is the strongest influence a person could have. Before he left this plain of existance my father shared and instilled in me his love of all things music (especially Neil Young). my pops never played an instrument, but he encouraged me too and even bought me a guitar i later found he couldn't afford. Thanks Da', you gave me a passion that set my soul on fire. Keep on Truckin' through the great divide
 #3267  by abspatz
 
how bout the band?

i picked up their old album and blew the dust off yesterday morning and haven't been able to put it down since. what a fun song ophelia is to play....

 #3272  by Shaggy
 
Yes, spilly. That was a very tough time for Young and some very close to home music was made during that period. I read about it in his biography, Shakey. Goes into a fair bit of detail.

I was not that struck by Music From Big Pink and it's the only Band album I've heard all the way through. I am a fan of the Last Waltaz though, or the Robbie Robertson show as it could be called!!

 #3277  by amyjared
 
Re: Neil Young
Check out the last Rolling Stone to see a great article on Neil and they do an interesting list of "lost" songs of neil; songs that were great but on mediocre albums. Two that come to mind are Captain Kennedy off of Hawks and Doves, which is think is a great album and Surfer Joe and Moe the Sleaze which is of Re/act/or. The article is poorly written but touches on his many personas in Rock. I still listen to Rust Never Sleeps and can't believe it.

Re: The Band. Wow, my band just covered Ophelia and it's a blast. We always did the weight, which gets old and Cripple Creek but I always push for The Shape I'm In. Listen to their stuff and be floored once again. Several multi-instrumentalists and many vocalists make for incredible music. Give Big Pink another listen. It's a masterpiece and several years ago was voted the 2nd Best Album of all time, right behind Sgt. Pepper's by some music mag. I might just agree.

A new one: Tom Waits. I am currently enamored with Heartattack and Vine. Songs that stick out are On the Nickel, Downtown and the title track. What do you folks think of Tom's stuff?

 #3278  by ebick
 
I first heard Tom Waits perform on The Letterman show and he played "On The Nickel". I went right out and bought Heartattack & Vine.

I confess, I did not get much further into it than that, but that did really strike me.

 #3280  by amyjared
 
I first heard Tom Waits perform on The Letterman show and he played "On The Nickel". I went right out and bought Heartattack & Vine.
That's funny, because that's exactly how I got into him! But since then I saw him live, bought several more albums, and really enjoyed his music after the initial introduction.

 #3284  by strumminsix
 
Great post Shaggy. Love Anthem. However, the GD treated new tunes and albums differently. Most bands compose a tune, rehearse it record it and then promote the album.

The Dead worked in 2 main teams (Ys, I know Phil too but I said main) which were very different, then introduced tunes during warmups, on the bus, and maybe a real rehearsal then start playing them whenever they felt it stage worthy and THEN release the album. It's no doubt Jerry was sick of the tunes by then!



On a album note, Parliament's "Mothership Connection" is one of my all time favorites.

 #3295  by Shaggy
 
I don't take much notice of those lists in magazines, there has been that many now it becomes a bit dire. Comparing music across all the boards and genres is almost impossible at times.

If we were to compare Big Pink to in my opinion the Grateful Dead's finest hour in the studio...American Beauty(my favourite album by the Dead). I think American Beauty is far superior all round, more depth in the original material, stronger lyrically, more expressive vocal work and more intresting instrumentation and it hasn't dated one bit, a new-comer listens to American Beauty and they couldn't put an age on it. Big Pink seems to be as much a Bob Dylan appreciation album than the Bands own vehicle. Perhaps their other albums are better I don't know. I do love the Weight(one of my very favourite songs) and I think alot of Robbie Robertson as a guitarist and composer. I know it was an imoportant album in it's influence. But not on the likes of the dead, Jerry Garcia was already a serious roots-rock, folk musician with an immense knowledge of roots music, and CSN were more of an influence around that time on the Dead. The Band were more southern in their roots. I think alot of the hype and aura that surrounded the Band was due to their involvemeant with Bob Dylan, a luxury many other bands never had. I do feel they come across as a little precious at times, almost too arty. But I agree they were a powerful band that deserve there place in history but history and the events surrounding are often fickle due to certain details of the time, and sometimes other, just as impressive and expressive moments or artists get overlooked.

Phil Lesh is a very avant-garde musician, he plays the bass as if he invented it! His compositions were often complex and dense. But always different. I compare his songs to Stanley Kubrick movies, you might have to wait a long time for one but when it comes you know it's something special and offering something different.

The transition the Grateful Dead went through from 65 to 70 with their styles, their first album through to Anthem and Live Dead and Aoxomoxoa was nothing short of phenomenal, had the Dead been more mainstream they would have been treated like musical gods and geniuses. There was not one band in the world that was playing as dense, far out music that was as fiery, expressive and totaly original than the dead were around Anthem of the Sun. No guitarist on earth was playing like Garcia was around that period, it was stuff that the most complex and advanced areas of jazz would only dare reach. Listen to how he floats in and out on Anthem of the Sun's New Potato Caboose, his comand of the songs tempo and route is sheer brilliance on his part. In those days the Dead put alot into their albums, Garcia loved being in the studio, toiling away day and night learning as he went. Once the album was out he always dissmissed it as nothing special and as the years went by making albums became less appealing to him. The buck stopped with jerry, he was the force behind everything. While Bobby Weir became a very inventive guitarist in his own right, something he simply had to do due to the nature of the dead's style. He also became a great songwriter, if a little obtuse at times. His songs took time to grow on stage and often didn't come out too good in the studio and again it was Garcia's licks and solo's that made most of these songs.

When the Grateful Dead played their roots-rock/americana/country-rock hand I believe they did it better than anyone else in the game. Their greatest music cannot be traced back to a time, only the feeling of a time within that listener, the deads best music is there for us not matter how we feel and it will take us where ever we need to go. Publicity and world-wide acclaim may have eluded them but they never went looking for that, no...these guys were the peoples band. The Peoples champions, a band championed by real music lovers, real people.

 #3298  by amyjared
 
Shaggy,
So I'm sensing from your letter that you like the Dead? Am I right?

You've convinced me. I'm throwing away all my Band cd's and going with the boys! (wink, wink)

 #3322  by spilly
 
amyjared, I know the chords to cripple creek, but I'm trying to figure out a good way to play those funky little notes the organ and guitar trade off on. think you could help me out?