[Panda Licker]

Guess the subject title wouldnt fit it

What is the difference between 'The Other One' and 'Cryptical Envelopment'. I always assumed that 'The Other One' was what Weirs section of the song was credited as, and that Cryptical Envelopment was Jerry's


But then I'm listening to Hundred Year Haul and its listed as Cryptical, without even a bit of Jerry's part, though you Bob's part comes in at about 14:00, (with hints of it thrown in here and there throughout instrumentally

I was just wondering if there was a clearcut reason this was listed as Cryptical instead of The Other One, or if its just sort of something they dont put a lot of thought into, and just sort of tacked it on arbitrarily.

[st. stephen]

as far as I know it's just an error in the songlist, as you said it's not Cryptical, but Weir's "The Faster We Go The Rounder We Get".

[strumminsix]

Agree in most part..

Tracks

* That's It For The Other One
I. Cryptical Envelopment (Garcia)
II. Quadlibet For Tender Feet (Weir)
III. The Faster We Go, The Rounder We Get (The Grateful Dead)
IV. We Leave The Castle (The Grateful Dead)

It's a suite with 4 parts so I'm curious where they started in it?? Maybe that is the answer?

[gratephulphish123]

which part is "the other one", probably quadlibet for tender feet? but what are the other two parts, this cryptical other one buisness has had me confused

[GratefulPat]

its confusing... strummins right but simply put... cryptical is the jerry ......the sky was dark and faded.... then the other one is the spanish lady come to me.....

[st. stephen]

hmm this great page has a note on your problem:
http://arts.ucsc.edu/gdead/agdl/discog2.html
but they might be wrong too. I think since the Dead is very experimental some times it's hard to say where they're starting in...
but I'd say:
Truckin>jam>Quadlibet For Tenderfeet(Other One)>jam( The Faster We Go???)

[confusions_prince]

which part is "the other one", probably quadlibet for tender feet? but what are the other two parts, this cryptical other one buisness has had me confused

TOO is the name for the whole suite together. Cryptical is one piece.

[Panda Licker]

which part is "the other one", probably quadlibet for tender feet? but what are the other two parts, this cryptical other one buisness has had me confused

TOO is the name for the whole suite together. Cryptical is one piece.

no, the whole sweet is 'Thats it for the Other One'

I think 'the other one' is pretty much bobs part (really called "the faster we go..")

probably has the end noise jam tacked onto the 'other one' title too

I always sort of saw it in 2 parts, and that page posted makes sense that they only cut it into 4 for publishing rights

[BlobWeird]

which part is "the other one", probably quadlibet for tender feet? but what are the other two parts, this cryptical other one buisness has had me confused

TOO is the name for the whole suite together. Cryptical is one piece.

To be accurate its really "Thats It For The Other One". Any time I see that on my iPod thats the full one. If it doesnt include Cryptical its just listed as The Other One.

[tigerstrat]

In concert, only the first three parts were ever performed.

As far as popular and/or "tape label" names for the songs vs their names on the album,

I. Cryptical Envelopment (Garcia) = 1."Cryptical Envelopment"
II. Quadlibet For Tender Feet (Weir)= 2. "The Other One"
III. The Faster We Go, The Rounder We Get = 3. "Cryptical Reprise"

IV. We Leave The Castle (The Grateful Dead) is the crazy "space" section dominated by T.C.'s experimental prepared piano stuff, as well as loads of tape effects, and was never performed live.

[kevo]

There's two way's to look at it imo. When they first started doing it they would have "That's it for the Other One" Cyrptical>Drums>TOO>Cryptical Reprise.

I. Cryptical Envelopment (Garcia)
II. Quadlibet For Tender Feet (Weir)
III. The Faster We Go, The Rounder We Get (The Grateful Dead)
IV. We Leave The Castle (The Grateful Dead)

"Cyptical #1" is just the opening thing before drums. "Quadblibet for Tender Feet" might be what the drums segment was called but I'm not sure. Then "The Faster we go, The Rounder We Get" is the actual "TOO" where phil drops his opening bombs and they blast off into jam land. "Then We Leave The Castle" is just the Cryptical Reprise, where they go into the A-G jam. And the other way to look at it is "The Other One" becomes the name of III, The Faster We Go when they drop Cyrptical.

EDIT: Or what tigerstrat said while I was writing this lol.

[Panda Licker]

are there any good tabs for this?

even just chord charts?

I'd like the whole thing, but I'd settle for jsut the 'Faster' part

There arent any here

[kevo]

If you're talking about what is referred to as "The Other One" in later years then it's just E-D. Here's a tab from Dark's

http://www.jdarks.com/files/otherone2.html

[BlobWeird]

If you're talking about what is referred to as "The Other One" in later years then it's just E-D.

Theres a bit more to it than just E-D

[jenkins]

I agree w/ what u are all daying except in 2 of my grateful dead songbooks(the two differednt anthologies) they have the jerry part listed as The Other One and says it written by Kreutzman and Bobby.
Than the bobby part is called cryptical envelopment and says words and music written by jerry.

This is one of those cases where it seems like either everyone(including myself) have always been wrong about the names of these songs, or the band changed the names.
I think that the names i have listed above were the original names and now it is known as cryptical-TOO.

I would suggest buying the GD songbooks is u want accurate representations of songs.


TOO is definitly just e-d. They are vamping on E and then the hit is D.
SOunds more complex because of the riffs and PHil's baseline, all of which are failry simple.
Then the chorus is E-D-C-A-G E-D-C-A

The only turly difficult part of this song is getting the whole band's timeing right on the chorus.
Hitting the G after the A is alittle akward.