[BlobWeird]

No I didn't mean Jerry didn't like sex, that's not what I mean, I ment I don't think of Jerry as the kind that boned groupies while he was married.

Eh i wouldnt be so sure. I mean I love Jerry and all BUT he seems like he doesnt care all that much about the word "relationship" and the loyalty involved. I imagine he probably cheated quite a few times.

[Shaggy]

The thing that Rock did that got peoples backs up was some of the (clearly) fictional conversations he made up at certain points in the book. I myself don't have a big problem with that since it's only empathizing a point that helps flesh out the story and make it more readable. He also got some of the dates wrong which is a big no no in deadhead land as well as a few facts here and there being a little, hmmm

Rock also painted a dark picture of himself, not just Jerry.

[strumminsix]

*********** Personal Opinion Below ***********

Rock said it like it was.
Exaggerated like most authors do.
Mistakes are mistakes and they happen.
Some "misquotes" are the speaker's failed memory.
Other "misquotes" are the listener's failed memory.

Mostly, he told told tales outta school and people didn't like that.


BTW, here is an interesting link on that expression:
http://www.phrases.org.uk/bulletin_boar ... s/168.html

[gratephulphish123]

i heard jerry flat out fled from mountain girl till she decided she'd had enough, too nice a guy to them to their faces or not nice enough...

btw strummin, nice job on the jerry avatar

[b weird]

I kind of figured Bobby to be the one with the women, but not Jerry. I guess it's because we think of Jerry as the kind grandfatehrly-santa figure that you look up to as a hero-mentor-???idol??? and not a horny dude with women all around him.

[strumminsix]

I kind of figured Bobby to be the one with the women, but not Jerry. I guess it's because we think of Jerry as the kind grandfatehrly-santa figure that you look up to as a hero-mentor-???idol??? and not a horny dude with women all around him.

It's interesting. Back in college I was given a psychological abstract about Jerry and how his perception changed over the years. Per the abstract the latter years for Jerry had him viewed as very kindly, paternal, Santa-like, grandpa-like, teddy bear-like, etc... But the reality differed from the perception.

In another part the author stated how many fans were likely filled with a sense of security in comfort by being in his presence despite their being hordes of fans and a stage and a guitar between them.

Wish I still had it...

[Shaggy]

With all this in mind - being Jerry Garcia must have been one hell of a strange and difficult role.

[BuddhaG]

yeah man, hanging out with freaks all the time and having a reputation as large as his... must have been pretty wierd at times. but, the role of Jerry Garcia obviously had the potential to be all kinds of fun as well. Jerry was definitley a pleasure-seeker. of course you can't have one without the other. the experience of having an ultimate pleasure comes along with the potential to experience the polar opposite to the same degree. that is to say, the good comes with the bad.

you can have a lot of sex with a lot of different girls, but if you are an honest person it might weigh on your conciousness that a relationship hasn't succeeded despite all of the copulation... or something like that.

[jackr]

We (my friends and I) used to love to be close to him like he was some kind of god. And we always somehow in the back of our minds wished we were him. The best drugs, fans, money and an incredible guitar talent.

I can tell you this knowing what I know now, I would not have traded places with him. (excluding the obvious fact he is dead)

Would you?

[BuddhaG]

i totally agree with you there. i would not have been able to handle trading places with Jerry. he had a whole legion of people looking up to him, as well as trying to run a business without being a corporate prick in this corporate world. no i would not trade my life for jerry's but i feel what he did, nobody else could handle as well as he did. and for that i consider him a role model of sorts, a really cool dude from who we could all stand to learn a little bit... or a whole lot.

[jackr]

Budda G,
Yes he was a cool dude and had that hippie mentality of peace and love ( at least what I have seen)

But when you say
"nobody else could handle as well as he did. and for that i consider him a role model of sorts,"

I cant agree with that. He was a junkie, led a trouble life and battled with addiction for many many years until ultimately it shortened his life.

Maybe in the beginning and for a long while the drugs worked for him but at some point he started working for the drugs.

Many others could handle being in a big band, run a business, keep a cool persona without ruining thier lives with drugs. Although I would trade segments of my life for his, in general he was very very troubled for decades.

Now dont get me wrong, I love the guy more than any other musician, he is one of my guitar heros but not a lifestyle role model hero.

[strumminsix]

Right on jackr.

Honestly, when I look at the Dead there are only 2 guys who I can really look up to: Bobby & Mickey. These guys stayed in shape, kept themselves together, no major destruction to their health, and still play with that heightened level of energy.

As far as business goes, Jerry and Phil handled themselves like Jerry did his women - avoided them and a blatant lack of trust.

[Shaggy]

I've never had a problem seperating the music from the person. I guess some people link the two together, generally singers/guitarists in rock bands aren't going to make good lifestyle role models. Wisdom tells us that many of our idols let us down in the end and are not as good as we thought.