[19deadhead65]

Hey now!

Just to preface, I use a Mexican Strat with Lindy fralins, no OBEL, into a JHS buffer, into a GE-7 into the Mu-Tron III. It’s an original Mu-Tron III that’s been ran through by Lingenberg so it should be up to “new” standard. The GE-7 is to boost the signal a bit as my single coils are like 5ohms and struggle to fully trigger the Mu-Tron.

Anyways, I usually can dial in a solid “Up” setting, Fire, Shakedown, Estimated, etc. but I struggle to really get THAT “down” sound for stuff like Dancin. Messing with the peak/gain knob only seems to help barely if at all, and then I’ve totally thrown off my setting for the “Up” songs. Any tips as to how to really get that lightsaber late 70s sound? Perhaps it’s my lacking of having Super Distortions or Dual Sounds.

Thanks all!

[Jon S.]

Have you experimented with preceding your Mutron with a judiciously set compressor?

[19deadhead65]

Have you experimented with preceding your Mutron with a judiciously set compressor?

Honestly, I have not. I’ve seen others talk about using compressors to get their tone and also specifically preceding their mutron, maybe it’s worth picking one up?

I find it odd it seems to be so hard to nail both tones at once, so dang elusive! Lol

[Jon S.]

I could not play nicely with my Mutron until I limited the harshest treble spikes through mild pre-compression. Just my personal experience, YMMV.

[strumminsix]

Big reason Jerry used the OBEL was so effects so full signal - this made them very predictable!

You can accomplish that same feature thing by putting a volume pedal at the end of your board.

Filter effects need to see that full strength. And I find they also need to manipulated by the guitars volume AND tone knobs...

[19deadhead65]

Strumminsix,

Perhaps that’s where I need to start, further messing with my volume and tone on the guitar. I usually have everything wide open and just change my picking dynamic for what’s necessary. I understand certain setups, pots, pickups don’t allow for being fully open, but I really don’t think my setup is too shrill for it. I’d be eager to hear what Jerry may have done with his volume/tones and/or what players with Jerry-esque guitars run for their guitar volume/tone settings.

[lbpesq]

Being a vocalist, I prefer to go wireless. I haven't had my lips zapped in years! That’s why I don’t use an OBEL. In fact, I had my custom Alembic Further built without the standard OBEL. I keep my guitar volume on “10” all the time. I’m the Bobby in my band, so I tend to find a tone I like and leave it there other than minor tweaks.

The first pedal in my chain is a wah, followed by an envelope filter. I’ve had them all, original Mutron III, Q-tron, Emma Discombobulator, Tru-tron, Micro-tron III. Currently I have an all mini pedal board. I’m using a Donner I got on Amazon for $36. I don’t use the envelope a lot and this thing sounds surprisingly good. With my set up, it’s a lot easier to match my signal to the envelope. The new Behringer Mutron looks interesting though, like the original, it takes up a lot of real estate.

The end of my pedal board goes into a Visual Sound Visual Volume pedal. It has a line of ten LEDs on the left side that give a quick visual confirmation of my setting.

Bill, tgo

[Jon S.]

Currently I have an all mini pedal board. I’m using a Donner I got on Amazon for $36. I don’t use the envelope a lot and this thing sounds surprisingly good. With my set up, it’s a lot easier to match my signal to the envelope. The new Behringer Mutron looks interesting though, like the original, it takes up a lot of real estate.

I've never truly bonded with my two Micro-Tron IVs + Bill's recommendations are always sound = I just ordered myself one of those Donner Auto Wahs (this one: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0787S2R6R?sm ... gToDp&th=1 ). I figure it's worth a try and if I like it, removing the Micro-Tron IV from my board will free up enough space to return my mid-90's Fulldrive 2 FM to my board (I replaced it with Fulltone's new Fulldrive 1 reissue but that lacks the 2's Flat Mids when in Comp Cut mode and I think I like the 2 better).

Mu-Tron is p.o.'d over the Behringer clone but as a practical matter I don't see what they can do about it. https://www.guitarworld.com/gear/effect ... -iii-pedal

[Jon S.]

May I add, as folks here know, I've never felt the need to copy Jerry exactly. I think I liked the MuTron model (named by Line 6 "Tron Up") on my old/retired M13 best of all that I've tried.

Sample: https://soundcloud.com/gratefuljon/trac ... al_sharing

[Tacosauce]

Hey now!

Just to preface, I use a Mexican Strat with Lindy fralins, no OBEL, into a JHS buffer, into a GE-7 into the Mu-Tron III. It’s an original Mu-Tron III that’s been ran through by Lingenberg so it should be up to “new” standard. The GE-7 is to boost the signal a bit as my single coils are like 5ohms and struggle to fully trigger the Mu-Tron.

Anyways, I usually can dial in a solid “Up” setting, Fire, Shakedown, Estimated, etc. but I struggle to really get THAT “down” sound for stuff like Dancin. Messing with the peak/gain knob only seems to help barely if at all, and then I’ve totally thrown off my setting for the “Up” songs. Any tips as to how to really get that lightsaber late 70s sound? Perhaps it’s my lacking of having Super Distortions or Dual Sounds.

Thanks all!

I find that envelope filters respond better to humbuckers than single coils, either on the up or down setting. They dont necessarily need to be DiMarzios (it helps though!), but the dual coils help give the signal more “oomph”. If that’s not possible, a lot of people suggest placing a boost immediately before the filter. Also, as others have mentioned below, having as full a signal as possible hit the filter is really important. And be mindful of your tone knob on the guitar, having it set too high will contribute to the ice pick sound.

As an aside- After going through the usual shuffle of trying out different envelope filters, I settled on the analogueman one and haven’t looked back. Beautiful tone and incredibly easy to dial in.

Sean

[mkaufman]

Sean - are you using single coils or HB's?

ace

[Tacosauce]

Sean - are you using single coils or HB's?

ace

While I have guitars with both, I usually try to play songs that require the envelope filter on humbuckers. Sounds much meatier.

[anniebing]

For down-sweep on the Mu-Tron, what worked best for me was actually not adding boost, but instead lowering the sensitivity a bit and rolling the guitar tone down to about 6–7. That way the "saber" appears but doesn't stab your ear. Compressor before the filter really evens out the attack, and then updown becomes more predictable without constantly messing with the peak. Also noticed that if you keep the guitar volume not at 10, but around 8–9, the trigger gets more stable. While I was reading this thread and tweaking the pedal, I kept getting distracted by weird tabs with links like https://dream-catcher-game.org/ , https://dealornodeal.org/ , and https://footballstudiodice.com/ , they popped up from old bookmarks and just got in the way. In the end, a simple rule helped: first stabilize the input level, then tweak the range, and it’s actually easier to play than it seems.