#17555  by LazyLightnin
 
the digital age has really made copywriting obsolete. They couldnt stop electronic companies from removing the "record" button from cassette players, and they certainly cant keep anyone from purchasing burning drives. its our right in a free country to purchase those products. they can make loopy laws to try and subdue file sharing, but marijuana is illegal and that doesnt stop even the cops from smoking, or even nay i say downloading music illegaly.

you gotta take in consideration that the artist is already making more money than the average american. In profits from live shows, album sales, and the original contract they signed, while enjoying press publicity and all the other perks that are "handed down" to idividuals enjoying "celebrity standards". Much ,much ,more money than the average Tom, Dick or Jane, and for doing something that really isnt even "work" in its true sense.

so if we all cant be punished what is the morality behind filing lawsuits against individuals, when OBVIOUSLY in the long run file sharing will never be controlled. these lawsuits wont continue forever, right now its all about the big easy money grab.


If you write good music people will buy it and see you at the show. If your the artist and your getting stiffed by your record company(every single artist is) then you only have yourself to blame by signing a bunk peice of paper. there should be a coalition of artists united against the record compaines who are the real corporate evil behind this crap.

instead of standing up for themselves, they in turn place the blame on their own fans - bad p.r. simple human psycology suggests that individuals placed in the spotlight - in any social situation, be it large or small, has an after affect on the actions and decisions that person makes. look at the NBA or NFL, need i say more?...

this is a topic for the ages, a heavyweight bout.
I truly beleive that both parties are correct. the latter only in the sense that these laws are written and recorded.

how could these laws be enforced? they simply cant be and wont be. You see in louisiana its illegal to carry an aligator over your shoulder after 1;00pm on a sunday. thats all this is.....that law might have held up in a time when it was applicable, but this is a different world.

i hardly think all you Heads are gonna jump up with $25 in hand for every sbd in your collection, or for that matter stop using torrents.

DONT support ELITISM
they dont care for you and only want your money. 8)

 #17556  by Grinner
 
Grisman: right or wrong? I don't know, but its topics like this that bring up a simpler truth: this forum and this group of people are awesome. Other forums would resort to flames 20 posts ago. Long live RU KIND :cool:

 #17562  by gratephulphish123
 
mighty fine lightnin, summed everything up nicely, gonna miss the jerry/griman videos though :cry:

 #17582  by whitelacestrange
 
grisman just isnt rich enough, c'mon man he needs a few more million so he can buy his poor children their own island for christmas.....

just think if those poor kids don't get their own island from santa next year, the suffering of rich artists because of free trading is so sickening, its depressing......

god i love south park, anyone else see that epsiode? lol

 #17589  by AugustWest
 
DG was on south park now that is great publicity!

 #17590  by whitelacestrange
 
lol, not quite. but it was all about this sorta thing.

 #17621  by mttourpro
 
"so if we all cant be punished what is the morality behind filing lawsuits against individuals, when OBVIOUSLY in the long run file sharing will never be controlled."



LL----


I thought DG was after youtube which is now owned by Google which is a giant corporation.

I don't think any artist is so worried about YOU trading a tape/CD with ME---it's only when it becomes publically accessible to the point of profit that artists start to get concerned.

As for file sharing being controilled or not, maybe you rememeber Napster?? or, maybe you've heard of I-Tunes?

 #17628  by LazyLightnin
 
well the youtube thing is only a small "window" into this mans works. I'd never seen him perform on video, i wish i could buy a dvd of the show. ive heard grisman shows, and i love it! but after seeing that video i need more. the one performance posted is remarkable and i turned on a few people who hadnt heard of him. in my case anyways, i did him a favor, im much more interested in purchasing his albums, and my 4 buddies who i just had to show off the video to were blown away. he just made 4 fans who had never even heard of him, just becasue that small "window" was avaliable.

as far as napster goes, they were the first application that everyday people could use for downloading, they had to know they'd go under before they even wrote the software. someone has to take the first fall. That kid shoulda sold way before he got threatened by lawsuits. besides by that time there were other programs out there to use. Those guys that wrote youtube got it right, what'd they get 6 billion to split? took the money and ran before they got crapped on.

its a privilege to be able to get on stage and entertain, and make a living out of doing something you love, not the other way around. when i get on stage with my crappy little cover band those fans arent privileged to see me, im privileged to play for them.

 #17646  by zoppenheimer
 
Personally, most bands or artists I have gotten into have been from burnt cds/dvds and watching concert snippets on youtube or other websites. The more I hear of them, the more I respect them (if they're good), and then I'll by their cds. If it weren't for cd burning, I wouldn't be into the dead nearly as much as I am now. I think the bootlegs merely compliment the cds. Too bad I can't appreciate other bands who allow this anywhere close to as much as the dead. SCI is cool though.

By the way, I find it funny how all of these musicians who set on overthrowing the establishment with thier music 30 to 40 years ago are now demonstrating the same behavior that they were strongly in opposition to. David Grisman's still a cool guy though, and I have nothing against him.

 #19557  by Stellar Blues
 
Just bought Tone Poems III as a gift for my buddy.

He's a beginning fiddler and I'm visiting his log cabin this month and I think he'll really enjoy "The Sounds of the Great Slide & Resophonic Instruments."

Can't wait to hear it, myself, and also to do a little 4-wheel drive exploring and campfires by the lake.

Coincidently, good omen, the music store was playing Mountains of the Moon when I went in!

 #19582  by krzykat
 
Just because he played with Jerry does not mean that he has the same views on how music should be delivered. Jerry believed that once he played th emusic the fans could do with it what they chose. Obviously Grisman does not agree (or bobby for that matter, remember what happened with archive)

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 #19605  by Shaggy
 
CountryMile Cadillac wrote:Grisman is cashing in on an old freindship. I will never buy any thing with his name on it, no matter how great the music is.
Sounds a little petty to me.

Don't forget Jerry and David started putting out records before Jerry died, David just carried on with that afterwards.

It's hardly like Grisman is exploiting anyone or anyones memory.

Nothing can be worse than someone/thing making money out of someone else with no connection to that person.

 #19611  by AugustWest
 
I know this thread is pretty well exhausted. I just wanted to say I don't think grisham's success is completly linked to jerry. When ever I visit faimly in staunton va. (bluegrass mountain town) Everyone know's who dave is and no one knows jerry except that he played with tony rice and david on the pizza tapes. In bluegrass communities david is better known.

 #19618  by CountryMile Cadillac
 
When ever I visit faimly in staunton va.
Hey I got ties to Staunton VA. Cool little town. There are abunch of folks there that listen to the Dead.


I understand the two made a lot of music together, but man some of that stuff Getrichman is throwin out there..... I don't think Jerry would want to be sold.
Would care less if people listened to it, but to make money off of it?