[ebick]

Setlist.com says Rat-Dog played Bertha, then "New Bertha" on 11/16. Anyone know anything about "New Bertha"?

[confusions_prince]

You live in Orlando (the same city where the 11/16 show was played). Did you go to the show? That or a CD recording may be the only way to know the difference.

[ebick]

I do live in Orlando, but I did not make the show.

[shakedown_04092]

I don't see it on the setlist, Ed. I checked Ratdog.org and it just has "Bertha" opening the set after a jam. ?

Also looked for it on the community tracker & it's not posted yet.

[ebick]

this is what setlist.com hase


11/16/06 (Thu) House of Blues - Orlando, FL

Set 1: Bertha > Cassidy > Dark Star(Instrumental) > Senor > Wrongway Feeling > New Bertha > Cassidy > Speedway Boogie > Last Time > Ashes and Glass > Dark Star

Set 2: The Winners > Corrina > Dark Star > Jam > Silvio > Tequilla > Silvio > Tequilla > Silvio > Scarlet Begonias > Come Together > Dark Star > Cassidy > Good Lovin, E: Johnny B. Goode


Source: Tim Hessing


This show has an average rating of 4.14 out of 7 votes.

[tigerstrat]

Could "New Bertha" perhaps be in reference to a new arrangement for the song? I don't try to listen to very much post-Jerry TD but from what I have heard, I have noticed certain songs being pretty radically re-arranged- The Other One for example: two measures of jamming in between the lines of the verse, instead of the traditional one measure. Or The Wheel: again, instead of short two-measure instrumental breaks betweeen verses, there are long jams. Really throws me off when they do that stuff- breaks the magic spell.

Same deal with Bertha perhaps? i.e. longer breaks between the lines of verse?

[shakedown_04092]

Could "New Bertha" perhaps be in reference to a new arrangement for the song? I don't try to listen to very much post-Jerry TD but from what I have heard, I have noticed certain songs being pretty radically re-arranged- The Other One for example: two measures of jamming in between the lines of the verse, instead of the traditional one measure. Or The Wheel: again, instead of short two-measure instrumental breaks betweeen verses, there are long jams. Really throws me off when they do that stuff- breaks the magic spell.

Same deal with Bertha perhaps? i.e. longer breaks between the lines of verse?

That could be, though I'd hardly call that a radical change. Bobby has been known to do this with more than a few songs, though. As Tigerstrat mentioned, The Other One is one, along with Dark Star. He's also thrown in reggae changes into Watchtower, Jack Straw, & Hell In A Bucket that have been pretty cool to hear.

[confusions_prince]

What really through me off at the show this Saturday was doing a Help>Slip! at the beginning with the Franklin in the second set.

More jamming isn't for the worse, but some of the new material is questionable...

[tigerstrat]

Radical... if you are changing the number of measures within a key song component like a verse or chorus or otherwise altering its rhythmic flow, I call that a radical change. Much more radical than simply adding or taking away whole sections, whether they are jams or solos, verses or bridges or different intros or endings. When you are messing with the verses or choruses themselves at that level, imho it's like splitting the atom. I know, I know, the GD never want to be thought of as nostalgists trying to relive their heyday, and always forging forward and furthur and trying new things. As James said, "Castles made of sand melt into the sea, eventually."