#3283  by HOWEYMAN
 
Hello,
I am starting this topic for some input on home recording. I want to start recording at home with some basic multi-tracking. I was thinking about a KORG 4-track cassette recorder w/ a couple mics for recoding my acoustic into, with vocals and then multi-tracking the lead. This is new to me, so I'm looking for ideas so I can determine the best route without spending tons of money. I would use the system for playback in practice also. Thanks, Looking forward to hearing back from someone.

 #3285  by strumminsix
 
Have you considered recording straight to you pc? Many people I know with limited PC skills say it's easy as can be. I've never had the need or desire so I cannot speak from experience. But I do know if you do you can easily add in effects, drums, etc.

 #3287  by mutant_dan
 
Here are some cool links that can help turn your PC into a multitrack studio complete with effects and editing capabilities:

KRISTAL Audio Engine is a powerful multi-track recorder, audio sequencer and mixer - ideal for anyone wanting to get started with recording, mixing and mastering digital audio.

It is designed as a modular system. The main application provides a mixing console, while the audio sequencer, live audio input and so on are loaded as separate Plug-Ins.

http://www.kreatives.org/kristal/index. ... n=download

Free audio plugins:

http://www.digitalfishphones.com/main.p ... &subItem=1

More plugins that include Chorus, Compresser, Delay, EQ, Flanger, Limiter, Phaser, Reverb, and Auto Filer.

http://www.kjaerhusaudio.com/classic-series.php

A plug in that cures the latency problems associated with using your PC to multitrack:

http://www.asio4all.com/

Free AudioEditor:

http://audacity.sourceforge.net/

Another cool plug in:

http://www.dasample.com/index.php?show=glaceverb

 #3324  by qiuniu
 
I struggled with a cass 4 track for years, never got the sound I wanted out of it.

Went digital and got the sound I wanted right away!

Go digital you won't regret it!

Besides what is listed here, check out this:

http://www.samash.com/catalog/showitem. ... GroupCode=

or lately I been addicted to Garage Band for the Mac:

http://www.apple.com/ilife/garageband/

This thing RIPS! and its easy to use and it comes with new Macs.

 #3368  by HOWEYMAN
 
Hello this is Howeyman again. Help me understand. What type of hardware would I need to plug microphones into my PC. Also, what system requirements would be needed?. My Pc is a dinasaur. with only one USB port working which I have my mouse plugged into, because my normal mouse port does not work.

 #3486  by qiuniu
 
You can plug a cheap mic into your sound card (it should have port for it). If you have a real mic your computer won't have enough juice to power it.

 #3487  by ebick
 
HOWEYMAN wrote:Hello this is Howeyman again. Help me understand. What type of hardware would I need to plug microphones into my PC. Also, what system requirements would be needed?. My Pc is a dinasaur. with only one USB port working which I have my mouse plugged into, because my normal mouse port does not work.
OT, you can go get yourself a USB port hub pretty inexpensively

 #10442  by HOWEYMAN
 
I was wonderin when you say that you can plug your guitar right into your pc, do you mean that they make chords that are a 1-1/4 jack on one end, with a USB connecter on the other?

Could I set a Mic in front of my amp and record into my computer in the same fashion, or do you play through the computer (the computer takes the place of the amp).

I really don't have a full understanding of this method, and I though shit, for less money than a CD 4 track recorder and a looper, I could simply buy a new computer, seeing I need a new computer anyways, and have that benefit of guitar software, and was just looking for some feedback. Thanks

 #10451  by FretfulDave
 
From what I know and have read in the guitar catalogs, etc. there are cards that go in the PC which you can plug various gear into - mics, guitars, keys etc. and those cards generally have a cable that breaks out the different connection types, e.g. XLR for microphones, 1/4" phone plugs for guitar and keys, RCA jacks for CD players and such. Then there is software that runs on the PC, communicates with the card and allows the simultaneous playback and recording of audio on different tracks, saving of song tracks, adding of effects and so on.

There are other similar devices, with added capabilities, based on firewire, where a card goes in the PC and a fiber connection is made to an external box which has all the various connectors and provides buffering, etc to help eliminate problems that can inately occur when using a direct PC card interface.

I also believe that there are some lower end connector devices (for lack of a better term) that can plug into a USB Version 2 port on the PC. These would provide similar functionality as the high end firewire devices w/ software included to provide the recording and mixing. If your PC is more than a few years old, then it will probably not have USB V2 and USB version 1 would be too slow to function correctly.

I do not know of a direct USB converter cable for a regular guitar, but have seen USB capable guitars produced specifically for this type of application. Perhaps there are powered adapter units that will take the 1/4" phone and analog guitar signal and convert to a digital USB signal for the computer.

As far as the sound card, they usually have a mono mini plug for a microphone and a stereo mini plug line in for connections to stereos, etc. This line in could be used in conjunction with a mixer of some sort and thus support mics, guitars and keys. As you have mentioned, you could mic your amp and likely assign the microphone input from the sound card as the input to a recording application then switch that microphone input device between channels, but I cannot be sure on that. Depends on the application used.

I agree with the statement that a digital recorder w/ x number of tracks is better than the tape unit of the same type. I have a 10 track digital unit that features two input devices (XLR or unbalanced phone). The music is recorded on a hard drive. My unit also has a USB connection and software to interface with a PC. I have done things like... recorded my band w/ a DAT deck, dubbed the DAT recording (using a specialized audio capture card) onto the PC, transferred the song to the recorder deck on a stereo track and overdubbed vocals on additional tracks. Fun stuff!

The one thing I found limiting on this setup is only having two inputs and I've hit that issue with wanting to have more than two singers each with separate mics, but if you are using this for only yourself, the four track one you mentioned should be no problem. but do thinnk about how many tracks you might want to record.

There are many ways to go. So I have a digital recording deck that is portable. It is somewhat low-end and I could use more but it works. I keep the PC free of being the interface recording medium because it is not portable and you are restricted to the local area the PC is in. Trying this w/ laptops, via some USB device will almost certainly produce lessthan desirable results, you need a decent PC and a good interface card on a high speed bus.

People do successfully use the PC as the recording and mixing device, no problems there with the right software, hardware and PC. It really depends on what you want to be able to do with the setup and how flexible you want it to be.

My advice is to look around www.musiciansfriend.com and www.samash.com and check out the various offerings and think about what you want to be able to do. The information should help you make an informed decision.

Good luck,

Dave

 #10457  by shakedown_04092
 
I have a Zoom MXR 1266 (i think that's the right #...it has 6 inputs, 2 of which are XLR) which is going for around $800 now, I believe.

I've had it for about 3 years, maybe more (I had the 1066 which had 4 inputs and traded up for the 1266) and am fairly happy with it. It doesn't do everything I'd like it to do, but for recording purposes for our 5 piece band, it's great for the price. The only thing I wish it had, actually, is more inputs so we could seperately record each vocal track or drum track.

We use it for recording our band at practice and gigs, and I also use it for my own personal practicing purposes. It's a REAL BLESSING to be able to have the ability to lay down a rhythm track for 5 or 10 minutes and then play it back while soloing over it. DEFINITELY has improved my ability because of this.

The way we have it set up for the band is: one track for bass, one for lead guitar, one for rhythm guitar, one for keys, one ambient mic for the drums, and one track for all the vocals, which come out of the PA (4 vocal tracks total).

There's much better equiptment out there, but the technology always seems to be upgrading so quickly that I figured I'd just wait a while to upgrade again, wait till the price comes down.

Feel free to PM me with any questions about it or what not, I'll tell you what I can.}

Good luck; let me know what you find.

 #10460  by HOWEYMAN
 
Thanks, that's a lot to chew on.

 #10469  by eyeprod
 
Without buying anything expensive, you have a couple of options for recording into a computer. Most computers have a 1/4" microphone IN jack. You can use that and plug whatever you want into it. You can get about any adaptor you need at radio crap..err..shack. I think it may be a stereo jack, but I can't remember. If you have a mixing board or some other kind of preamp I recommend going MICS>MIXER>COMPUTER. You'll get better results, and if you like to sing while you play guitar you can record two tracks at once, one for each. I get better vocal takes that way myself. Then you can add as many extra tracks as your device will allow. Remember, STEREO IS TWO TRACKS. Usually you'll want to record your tracks in MONO (One track). It takes up less space and when you add all of your recorded tracks together, you'll create a stereo mix by using the little PAN knobs. I think that info is somewhat important. There's alot to learn about home recording and recording in general. Good luck

 #10482  by JerJones
 
Just started recording.
Using:
Cakewalk Guitar Tracks Pro3 ($100)Software
M-Audio FastTrac USB interface ($100) Needed
Question/Input.
Now I need Pre-amp or mixer? My playbacks are
coming back too low in volume.
Adjustments add that air sound to recording.
Still the recordings are not bad.

Also, before you jump in, for me it has been
another world of tech support from sftwre
company (cakewalk), and forums to solve
problems. It isn't plug and play. It takes
patience to learn. I find myself learning
more about the recording aspect rather than
the playing guitar part.(sometimes alot).
Still it's a great for getting your stuff (ideas)
on disk, flash, or hardrive, and go back
again and again to manipulate it adding
tracks.

 #10856  by HOWEYMAN
 
FretfulDave wrote:I do not know of a direct USB converter cable for a regular guitar, but have seen USB capable guitars produced specifically for this type of application. Perhaps there are powered adapter units that will take the 1/4" phone and analog guitar signal and convert to a digital USB signal for the computer.

I just recieved the January isssue of Guitar One Magazine. On Page 125 there is an ad for the "first" audio interface cable. "Stealth Plug". http://www.stealthplug.com It shows a 1/4" to usb with a guitar plugged into a laptop. This may be the answer to a lot of things.

 #10868  by ded1hed
 
alright so i downloaded the audacity, and i have a mic that i need an adapter to go from 1/4 to 1/8, plug that in to line in, and im ready to record a track?


ok so lets say just to start out i want to lay down 3 tracks, rhythm, lead, and vocal. do i just keep adding a new track , and then this thing has a mixer to get the levels right?

anybody thats used this thing that could help out id appreciate it, i tend to be pretty slow at some of this technical computer stuff.

thanks alot

andrew "blueballers :cool: " smith