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Guitar Affair: It's Netflix for Guitars

PostPosted:Mon Jun 01, 2009 6:30 pm
by phpbb
"This exciting new experience will offer you the ability to enjoy a wide variety of high-end, professional quality guitars, delivered right to your door. At home, on a business trip, or on a vacation, you will have the chance to treat yourself to a truly luxurious guitar, if only for a short time. Browse our showroom in the luxury and comfort of your home. You can also purchase from our large inventory of boutique and fine instruments and accessories."

http://guitaraffair.com/index.php

Re: Guitar Affair: It's Netflix for Guitars

PostPosted:Mon Jun 01, 2009 7:21 pm
by jackr
Not a very large selection. Pretty cool idea, but I have my skepticism about it actually being a profitable business. I dont like the fact that they want your SSN. You can rent a car without giving up that info.

Re: Guitar Affair: It's Netflix for Guitars

PostPosted:Tue Jun 02, 2009 5:51 am
by Guitar Affair
jackr wrote:Not a very large selection. Pretty cool idea, but I have my skepticism about it actually being a profitable business. I dont like the fact that they want your SSN. You can rent a car without giving up that info.
Jack, thanks for your comments, both of which are very legitimate and, I feel, deserve a response. First, please bear with me on the selection issue. I have about 140 guitars in inventory and we are rushing to get them all photographed and put up on the site. It's a terribly time consuming process that has to be done between servicing our customers.

Now the more difficult issue, the SSN. I struggled for many, many months with this one when I was designing the business. One of my previous startup efforts was PromiseMark (sold to Experian), which invented the identity theft recovery service and insurance that is now common and offered by all kinds of insurance companies and banks. Having helped many people through the identity theft recovery process, I am very sensitive to the fact that people are very wary about giving out this level of information.

Quite simply, I just couldn't figure out a way around it that wouldn't kill the business. The problem is that this is essentially a credit transaction, in that I'm sending out a multi-thousand dollar instrument, to people I've never met before, and only collecting a hundred bucks or so. It came down to two choices - 1) I needed to take a deposit for the value of the guitar, or 2) I needed to treat it like a credit application and run credit checks and background checks on people. I just didn't think solution #1 was valid, particularly to your point about whether or not the business can be profitable. Many of our customers are business executives who use their Amex cards to transact. On a $2000 deposit charge, the credit card processing fees would be well over $100, just for taking the deposit. I'd have to build that into my prices which would inflate the price too far, in my opinion. So, I had to opt for running the credit and background checks which therefore required the SSN and DL#. I'm very sensitive to your opinion on this matter and it's a very fair criticism of the process. I hope that someday I can find a way to get around that. The reason that you don't have to provide an SSN to rent a car is a) you show up in person and provide a valid DL, b) you return the car in person where damage is identified, and c) the loss rates in that industry are well established so the insurance rates are set and reasonable for that business. Unfortunately, I don't enjoy any of those aspects with Guitar Affair.

I appreciate your comments and the opportunity to respond, and I am delighted that you think it's a cool idea. I realize that privacy issues are strong ones, so while I can't expect that I can convert people from that reasonable view, I hope that you at least understand why I feel the need to do it and that I just didn't decide to collect personal information on a whim.

Regarding the profitability question, that remains to be seen, since we've just launched. As of now, things look pretty good. I'm a fairly seasoned entreprenuer, so I think I have a good shot at making this work. Also, to be clear, the business is NOT a Netflix for guitars. The author of that article embellished a bit. It is a straight forward rental and leasing program where the rental fees are rebated for customers who purchase a guitar. I had some calls from that article from people who thought that they could get a new guitar every month for a flat $50 fee. That business model certainly would NOT be profitable.

Best regards,

Jim Basara
Owner
Guitar Affair

Re: Guitar Affair: It's Netflix for Guitars

PostPosted:Tue Jun 02, 2009 8:15 am
by ebick
Acoustics? Sure like to see a Taylor 814CE :)

Re: Guitar Affair: It's Netflix for Guitars

PostPosted:Tue Jun 02, 2009 8:19 am
by seamones
Is it me or are the true prices being hidden? What's to hide? Do they really want $50 and then they will tell me how much it really costs??

That reminds me of a massage I got in Philly.

:?

Re: Guitar Affair: It's Netflix for Guitars

PostPosted:Tue Jun 02, 2009 8:31 am
by Guitar Affair
ebick wrote:Acoustics? Sure like to see a Taylor 814CE :)
Acoustics are on their way. Thanks for asking. Again, this is something I wrestled over because acoustics are so much more tempermental regarding temperature and humidity changes, and I'm shipping all over the country. I have a lot of guitar repair experience, but I can't afford to spend my time setting acoustic necks for each rental (back to Jack's concern about the profitability of the business). I do ship the guitars with a humidifier, but there's nothing I can do about temperature.

I am a Rainsong dealer, so I have the entire line of Rainsong in inventory because they are composite and I can rely on them to arrive in great playing condition to the customer. They may be composite, but they still sound and play great. I'm also a Breedlove dealer, so some of those will be available for rent (unlikely that I'll be renting guitars like the Northwest Classic except in special circumstances). The only Taylor that I have currently is a 612CE, but not the 814. I realize that I need to expand my Taylor selection but I haven't focused on that yet. You can imagine how expensive this business is to start.

I also have a vintage Yamaha on its way to me that was used for song writing by folks like Jackson Brown, Roger Daltry and others. It's a real 'vibe' piece and will be interesting to see how it is received.

Again, thanks for your interest in what I'm trying to do. These types of conversations help me to make a variety of decisions.

Cheers,

Jim

Jim Basara
Owner
Guitar Affair

Re: Guitar Affair: It's Netflix for Guitars

PostPosted:Tue Jun 02, 2009 8:35 am
by Guitar Affair
seamones wrote:Is it me or are the true prices being hidden? What's to hide? Do they really want $50 and then they will tell me how much it really costs??

That reminds me of a massage I got in Philly.

:?
Not at all, although this question has come up a couple of times so perhaps I need to look at how that information is accessed. The prices are mostly based upon the value of the guitar, so it is instrument specific. The rental and purchase pricing is displayed when you select a particular guitar. If it's not showing up, there's a problem, but it appears correct on my computer.

Sorry it wasn't obvious and I will take a look at that. I would never even think of asking people to pay in order to see the prices, even though I've never had a massage in Philly:-)

Jim

Jim Basara
Owner
Guitar Affair

Re: Guitar Affair: It's Netflix for Guitars

PostPosted:Tue Jun 02, 2009 8:41 am
by strumminsix
Fascinating! Much more ethical then the dudes who buy a guitar at GC or SA, play it for a week the return it!

Re: Guitar Affair: It's Netflix for Guitars

PostPosted:Tue Jun 02, 2009 8:43 am
by seamones
Guitar Affair wrote:
seamones wrote:Is it me or are the true prices being hidden? What's to hide? Do they really want $50 and then they will tell me how much it really costs??

That reminds me of a massage I got in Philly.

:?
....

Sorry it wasn't obvious and I will take a look at that. I would never even think of asking people to pay in order to see the prices, even though I've never had a massage in Philly:-)
I see it now, sorry. If its not just me, I would recommend, as you have already mentioned, reviewing the navigation of your site.

Re: Guitar Affair: It's Netflix for Guitars

PostPosted:Tue Jun 02, 2009 9:51 am
by Tennessee Jedi
seamones wrote:
That reminds me of a massage I got in Philly.

:?
Happy endings ?
:D

Re: Guitar Affair: It's Netflix for Guitars

PostPosted:Tue Jun 02, 2009 9:56 am
by jackr
Jim,
Thanks for being involved in the discussion here. A couple of questions as the giving of the SSN kind of freaks me out. I also take credit cards, cant you do a capture of the funds required and then put an authorization only hold on the additional funds until the guitar is returned? That would mean that the customer would have to have considerable room on his credit card and tie up that available credit but you would only have fees associated with the capture and the the total amount?

How do you deal with damage and nicks and dings etc?

Re: Guitar Affair: It's Netflix for Guitars

PostPosted:Tue Jun 02, 2009 12:14 pm
by Rusty the Scoob
Very interesting concept, Jim! Best of luck to you!

If you ever expand into basses let me know! :wink:

Re: Guitar Affair: It's Netflix for Guitars

PostPosted:Wed Jun 03, 2009 11:07 am
by Mick
Guitar Affair wrote: Now the more difficult issue, the SSN. I struggled for many, many months with this one when I was designing the business. One of my previous startup efforts was PromiseMark (sold to Experian), which invented the identity theft recovery service and insurance that is now common and offered by all kinds of insurance companies and banks.
Jim, seriously, in one sentence, you claim to be the inventor of identity theft recovery services as an industry, and in the very next sentence you begin to explain why I would have to give you all of my personal information AND my SS number AND $50 in cash just to do business with an online entity I never heard of and know nothing about other than seeing a nice website?


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Re: Guitar Affair: It's Netflix for Guitars

PostPosted:Wed Jun 03, 2009 11:19 am
by tigerstrat
Got LEFTYS?

Re: Guitar Affair: It's Netflix for Guitars

PostPosted:Thu Jun 04, 2009 9:29 am
by Guitar Affair
jackr wrote:Jim,
Thanks for being involved in the discussion here. A couple of questions as the giving of the SSN kind of freaks me out. I also take credit cards, cant you do a capture of the funds required and then put an authorization only hold on the additional funds until the guitar is returned? That would mean that the customer would have to have considerable room on his credit card and tie up that available credit but you would only have fees associated with the capture and the the total amount?

How do you deal with damage and nicks and dings etc?
No problem. This is much to my benefit, because the more feedback I can get on this early on, the better it is for me and our customers. So, here's my response to your question. I struggled with a lot of these questions for years and I still don't presume to have everything perfect.

First, while you take credit cards, you do not extend credit. For you, it is the credit card that is extending the credit and to a large degree, they are insulating you from much of your risk on transactions. In my case, I am actually extending the credit because I am taking the risk by sending out a guitar with only a small portion of that value in hand from the credit card transaction. The problem with your scenario of doing an auth-only on the card for the value of the instrument, in lieu of running a credit check with your SSN, is that you can more easily steal a credit card, rent a guitar and walk away from it. By running checks, I significantly lower that theft potential. Even if the card is valid, all the customer has to do is cancel the credit card during the rental period, and although I have pre-auth'd that amount, I am unable to charge it. Like I said, I really struggled with this and I tried really hard to avoid being a credit providing institution, but I couldn't think of a way out of it.

The first model I launched with (and I'm still erasing the remnants of this) was to take a deposit of roughly 20% so at least I had SOMETHING in hand. However, as you know, the merchant pays significant fees on credit card transactions, so that model isn't financially viable.

Nicks and dings are another issue. It is the primary reason that I went high-end, because logically people who will pay for a high-end instrument are more likely to take care of it. I fully expect normal wear and tear on the instrument, but I don't expect it to be abused. I photograph every guitar before it goes out the door. If it comes back with something minor, it's not likely to be an issue, unless that customer has a history of mistreating our guitars. If it comes back trashed, or it doesn't come back at all, I will naturally aggressively pursue compensation for repairs or replacement, as would a car rental service.

I hope this helps you understand what I'm doing. By all means, keep pounding away if you have more questions or idea. My goal is to provide the best service possible, but not risk losing my house in the process.

Cheers,

Jim