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Basic Chord Help

PostPosted:Thu May 28, 2009 5:35 am
by Highballin'
I'm just learning to play guitar, mostly with a chord book and getting tabs from this site and my buddies.(Dylan, GD, The Band, a little Floyd).
What is meant by this C/G or A/B? Why are 2 chords pushed together?
Does that mean play a C and then a G really quick after it? Or is that some mixture of 2 chords?

Re: Basic Chord Help

PostPosted:Thu May 28, 2009 5:46 am
by ebick
No, the note after the slash means to play an alternate note as the bass note.

So, a regular C looks like this:

E 0
B 1
G 0
D 2
A 3
E 0

C/G looks like this:

E 0
B 1
G 0
D 2
A 3
E 3

Re: Basic Chord Help

PostPosted:Thu May 28, 2009 6:30 am
by Highballin'
ok So I form up the regular open C, then finger the 3rd fret 6th string too. Is that a G-note?
Where does the G come from in C/G?

Re: Basic Chord Help

PostPosted:Thu May 28, 2009 6:46 am
by Tennessee Jedi
Highballin' wrote:ok So I form up the regular open C, then finger the 3rd fret 6th string too. Is that a G-note?
Where does the G come from in C/G?
So, a regular C looks like this:

E 0
B 1
G 0 <--------------- 'G' string "open"
D 2
A 3
E 0 <--------------- fret 3rd fret 'G"
:smile:
'G' and 'C' are friends.
they are both in each others Major scales
:D

Re: Basic Chord Help

PostPosted:Thu May 28, 2009 6:47 am
by Rusty the Scoob
The note after the slash is what you play underneath the regular chord. So in this case play a C chord with a G underneath it, as TJ describes.

Re: Basic Chord Help

PostPosted:Thu May 28, 2009 7:04 am
by Highballin'
Rusty the Scoob wrote:The note after the slash is what you play underneath the regular chord. So in this case play a C chord with a G underneath it, as TJ describes.
ok I'm getting this so far. Very helpful. Scoob, if you could just explain what you mean by "underneath". Thanks. :smile:

Re: Basic Chord Help

PostPosted:Thu May 28, 2009 7:16 am
by Tennessee Jedi
Highballin' wrote:
Rusty the Scoob wrote:The note after the slash is what you play underneath the regular chord. So in this case play a C chord with a G underneath it, as TJ describes.
ok I'm getting this so far. Very helpful. Scoob, if you could just explain what you mean by "underneath". Thanks. :smile:
Dont confuse yourself - just do it ! After awhile you will be breezing thru this !
:cool:
Play the 1st chord in the slash. Alter the chord to add the 2nd note.
so for C/G
play a C chord
ADD a G to it.
Its just a fuller sound than a plain Jane C .....
:D

Re: Basic Chord Help

PostPosted:Thu May 28, 2009 7:30 am
by Highballin'
Tennessee, you're talking my language. but that's why i'm at this pitiful state. Because I never take lessons or learn the mechanics. I prefer to just "do it".
Ok, give me another one would ya'- G/D or some other examples. What are these chords called anyways? Thank you for your patience. :?

Re: Basic Chord Help

PostPosted:Thu May 28, 2009 7:32 am
by Mick
Highballin' wrote:
Rusty the Scoob wrote:The note after the slash is what you play underneath the regular chord. So in this case play a C chord with a G underneath it, as TJ describes.
ok I'm getting this so far. Very helpful. Scoob, if you could just explain what you mean by "underneath". Thanks. :smile:
He means that you play it as the bass note, not to be confused with the base note. I am not being snide here, although it probably sounds like it. The base note (most people would say "root") for a C chord is always C, the bass note is the lowest note you play, as in bass as opposed to treble. In the case of the C/G, the bass note of the C chord would be string 6, which would be open, giving an E on a standard tune. The third fret on string 6 is a G, so to change a 6 string C chord to a C/G, change the last string from open to 3rd fret to get the G on the "bass" string.

A/B is a little different, most people are going to play A in first position like this:

1: 0 E
2: 2 C#
3: 2 A
4: 2 E
5: 0 A
6: X

It's not that you can't strum the 6th string open, because an E will fit with the chord, but most people don't because you already have two Es in there. In fact, I like the chord better in first position without strumming the 1st string either, but that will lead us into a different discussion. Anyway, to change the above A to an A/B, we change the "bass" string, in this case string 5, from an A to a B, and we get:

1: 0 E
2: 2 C#
3: 2 A
4: 2 E
5: 2 B
6: X

That would be consistent with the notation I have read, but I don't really think of it that way. Like I said, I would be more inclined to play this:

1: X
2: 2 C#
3: 2 A
4: 2 E
5: 2 B
6: X

and think of it in my head as an A major added ninth. Take that with a grain of salt as almost everything I know about chords on guitar has been learned from talking to piano players, and they are a truly strange bunch.

Re: Basic Chord Help

PostPosted:Thu May 28, 2009 7:42 am
by Tennessee Jedi
Highballin' wrote:Tennessee, you're talking my language. but that's why i'm at this pitiful state. Because I never take lessons or learn the mechanics. I prefer to just "do it".
Ok, give me another one would ya'- G/D or some other examples. What are these chords called anyways? Thank you for your patience. :?
for the most part i just call them Open Chords.
for the add on chords I just say " C add G " .....
lots of information here
just gotta poke around
:D
peace

Re: Basic Chord Help

PostPosted:Thu May 28, 2009 7:49 am
by Highballin'
Right on. Right on. This will give me alot of practice to work on. Now I can work on Floyd's The Narrow Way Pt.3-which has tons of these chords, like G/Am F/Am D/D# D/E D/F. I couldn't figure that stuff out before. This will be challenging. :peas:

Re: Basic Chord Help

PostPosted:Thu May 28, 2009 7:50 am
by Highballin'
Tennessee Jedi wrote:
Highballin' wrote:Tennessee, you're talking my language. but that's why i'm at this pitiful state. Because I never take lessons or learn the mechanics. I prefer to just "do it".
Ok, give me another one would ya'- G/D or some other examples. What are these chords called anyways? Thank you for your patience. :?
for the most part i just call them Open Chords.
for the add on chords I just say " C add G " .....
lots of information here
just gotta poke around
:D
peace
"Don't tell me this Board aint got no heart" :cool:

Re: Basic Chord Help

PostPosted:Thu May 28, 2009 8:38 am
by tigerstrat
Highballin' wrote:
Tennessee Jedi wrote:
Highballin' wrote:Tennessee, you're talking my language. but that's why i'm at this pitiful state. Because I never take lessons or learn the mechanics. I prefer to just "do it".
Ok, give me another one would ya'- G/D or some other examples. What are these chords called anyways? Thank you for your patience. :?
for the most part i just call them Open Chords.
for the add on chords I just say " C add G " .....
lots of information here
just gotta poke around
:D
peace
"Don't tell me this Board aint got no heart" :cool:
"Xaddn" is commonly used when referring to adding a high note, such as "Fadd9" or "F with a 3rd fret G on the high E string"

"slash" or "X/X" chords refer to adding or altering the bass note in the chord to something other than the root, otherwise known as an inversion.

Like "A/C#", which is a 3-5-1 inversion, because from lowest to highest, the chord tones go C#(3rd),E(5th), A(root), C#(3rd):
E|-----
B|--2--
G|--2--
D|--2--
A|--4--
E|-----

or put an E and A on top thusly

E|--5--
B|--5--
G|--2--
D|--2--
A|--4--
E|-----

two very handy movable shapes, by the way

Re: Basic Chord Help

PostPosted:Thu May 28, 2009 8:59 am
by Rusty the Scoob
The term "inversion" only applies if the added lowest note is a chord tone. You can also add a non-chord tone. For example, C/D where the C isn't a C9.

I can't think of an umbrella technical term for this case, the D could be a passing tone, a pedal tone, a suspension or augmentation depending on what comes before and after it... anyway, who needs terms.... just play a C chord over a D bass note when you see it.

Re: Basic Chord Help

PostPosted:Thu May 28, 2009 10:58 am
by tigerstrat
Rusty the Scoob wrote:The term "inversion" only applies if the added lowest note is a chord tone. You can also add a non-chord tone. For example, C/D where the C isn't a C9.
I always understood it to be a chord in which the lowest note is not the root. How can a tone that is part of, and played with a chord not be considered a chord tone? iow what is a "non-chord" tone, in the context of ...a chord?