John Barlow was a member of a panel discussing Copyright and Intellectual Property at the e-G8 summit yesterday... He invokes the Dead around the 50 minute mark.
Re: John Barlow goes "into the Lion's Den" at e-G8
PostPosted:Wed May 25, 2011 9:10 am
by Emoto
I am a fan of his work with the EFF.
Re: John Barlow goes "into the Lion's Den" at e-G8
PostPosted:Wed May 25, 2011 2:13 pm
by JamminJommy
Great stuff. Really prime discussion.
Re: John Barlow goes "into the Lion's Den" at e-G8
PostPosted:Wed May 25, 2011 2:58 pm
by Stevo123
Very cool, didn't know Barlow was such a soldier against intellectual property. Awesome stuff.
Re: John Barlow goes "into the Lion's Den" at e-G8
PostPosted:Tue May 31, 2011 6:10 pm
by RiverRat
Stevo123 wrote:Very cool, didn't know Barlow was such a soldier against intellectual property. Awesome stuff.
Barlow isn't against Intellectual Property, he's opposed to the draconian ways IP has been protected since the early days of the Internet.
"The former Illuminati Online domain, IO.com, has been sold, and all existing customers will lose all services associated with the domain. A 1990 Secret Service raid on Steve Jackson Games, then owner of the Illuminati Online BBS and later the IO.com domain led to the creation of the EFF and was an important milestone in the fight for online rights. While the domain has been sold in the past, the services offered to customers always remained unchanged. However, this most recent sale, to an unnamed party, will result in all services being dropped on July 1, and people will lose email addresses, web pages, and shell accounts that many have had for 15+ years."
Re: John Barlow goes "into the Lion's Den" at e-G8
PostPosted:Wed Jun 01, 2011 5:55 am
by strumminsix
Stevo123 wrote:Very cool, didn't know Barlow was such a soldier against intellectual property. Awesome stuff.
The concept bugged me at first. Then read more on him saying like - how can you have an idea, put it on the internet, and then still think you own it?
That made me think of all the stuff we quote here and blogs and the like and I was a bit floored in my thinking
Re: John Barlow goes "into the Lion's Den" at e-G8
PostPosted:Wed Jun 01, 2011 7:21 am
by Stevo123
RiverRat,
Thanks for the link to that article! A very long but very interesting read so far. Made it about 1/10th of the way through it last night but I plan on reading the rest eventually. I myself am pretty interested in the arguments for/against IP. I tend to think that since ideas are immaterial and not scarce, that it's hard to claim ownership of them. I've thought more about how it applies to patents etc. in industry rather than media. For example, if you invent something, while you should not be required to voluntarily give out your secrets to anyone you don't want to, if someone can take your invention, look at your design and figure out its principles, I believe they should be free to produce and sell similarly designed products operating on the same principles. I haven't thought much about how ownership applies to media products, although at first thought it would seem that a motion picture or a musical performance could not be likened, categorically, to the above example of a patent on an invention. I come from a libertarian standpoint on this stuff as far as voluntaryism and the universally application of non-aggression. I'm going to have to do some more thinking and reading on this!