When it doesn't fit anywhere else
 #93350  by tcsned
 
mijknahs wrote:Row Jimmy is a tough tune to get right. Especially the solo. It feels like there is an extra beat in there.
I don't have a guitar in front of me so I can't think :oops: but I think it's a measure of 2/4 on that A chord
 #93354  by strumminsix
 
mijknahs wrote:Row Jimmy is a tough tune to get right. Especially the solo. It feels like there is an extra beat in there.
I am sooooooooooo glad I play slide and don't sing that one. Much easier to stretch or shorten on slide, IMO.
 #93356  by mijknahs
 
tcsned wrote:
mijknahs wrote:Row Jimmy is a tough tune to get right. Especially the solo. It feels like there is an extra beat in there.
I don't have a guitar in front of me so I can't think :oops: but I think it's a measure of 2/4 on that A chord
I think so too but it just "feels" weird playing it and it's hard to make it feel natural. Also easy to mess up. Beautiful song though.
 #93357  by Tennessee Jedi
 
Yes ....
Been playing along to Dozin at the Knick and DP's 7 and I swear the band fudges the ' instrumental ' part every time !
Great tune
:smile:
 #93361  by tcsned
 
mijknahs wrote:
tcsned wrote:
mijknahs wrote:Row Jimmy is a tough tune to get right. Especially the solo. It feels like there is an extra beat in there.
I don't have a guitar in front of me so I can't think :oops: but I think it's a measure of 2/4 on that A chord
I think so too but it just "feels" weird playing it and it's hard to make it feel natural. Also easy to mess up. Beautiful song though.
Agreed, we haven't done this tune in a while and that was always an issue, more so during instrumental breaks than with the verses. My wife keeps bugging me to start doing that one again. It takes me a lot of practice to feel that part and not have to mechanically count it out.

I remember hearing or reading an interview with Jerry back in the 80s or early 90s and he was saying that it was his favorite song he had written and was enjoying getting back into playing it again even though he thought the deadheads didn't like it because it was too slow. It has always been one of my favorites, it is one of those tunes where it all comes together for me, great imagery by Hunter, interesting chord and rhythm structure, and great melody. This was sure a high point in Jerry's song craft IMHO.
 #93363  by mijknahs
 
tcsned wrote:Agreed, we haven't done this tune in a while and that was always an issue, more so during instrumental breaks than with the verses. My wife keeps bugging me to start doing that one again. It takes me a lot of practice to feel that part and not have to mechanically count it out.

I remember hearing or reading an interview with Jerry back in the 80s or early 90s and he was saying that it was his favorite song he had written and was enjoying getting back into playing it again even though he thought the deadheads didn't like it because it was too slow. It has always been one of my favorites, it is one of those tunes where it all comes together for me, great imagery by Hunter, interesting chord and rhythm structure, and great melody. This was sure a high point in Jerry's song craft IMHO.
Precisely! I love listening to a good version of the song but not my favorite to play. Especially the instrumental breaks. I've heard bands totally cheat on the solos and NOT play the extra 2/4. Bad form in my opinion.
 #93367  by Rusty the Scoob
 
We nailed Row Jimmy on Saturday night including the instrumental part (which is rare for us, might even be the first time), and I still can't tell you exactly how to count it without a lot of thought. :lol: The way Mike described it during soundcheck worked great - it's like there's an extra beat (or really two, I think, but one is more of a pause) on A at the end of every time through the progression, just like MJ said above.

This chart will probably only make sense to me and I'm not even sure that it's right, but this is how it goes in my head:

A 234 12
D 234 12
A 234
B 2 A 2 G 2
D 234
A 2


So it's: 6 beats of A,
6 beats of D,
4 beats of A
2 beats of B
2 beats of A
2 beats of G
4 beats of D
2 beats of A

and then hit that next A strongly to start the next cycle.
 #93370  by Tennessee Jedi
 
I see my prob ... well one of them :lol:
I do A to G for the 1st two chords of the break
Hmmmmm thought I had this all sussed out ...
:D
 #93373  by strumminsix
 
Rusty the Scoob wrote: A 234 12
D 234 12
A 234
B 2 A 2 G 2
D 234
A 2
Try this :smile:
A 234 12
G 234
D 2
A 234
 #93374  by Tennessee Jedi
 
strumminsix wrote:
Rusty the Scoob wrote: A 234 12
D 234 12
A 234
B 2 A 2 G 2
D 234
A 2
Try this :smile:
A 234 12
G 234
D 2
A 234
Followed by a Bmin/ A / G / D ???????? < ------- the last D before it turns around is where I go off the reservation !
:smile:
 #93376  by Rusty the Scoob
 
Tennessee Jedi wrote:I see my prob ... well one of them :lol:
I do A to G for the 1st two chords of the break
Hmmmmm thought I had this all sussed out ...
:D
My bad, you and S6 are right. I should know better than to play music at my desk with no bass in hand while not even listening to the right song. :?
 #93379  by Tennessee Jedi
 
You are making the band mates nervous with the different progression !
:D
We can do it
maybe
sorta
?
 #93380  by strumminsix
 
Tennessee Jedi wrote:
strumminsix wrote:
Rusty the Scoob wrote: A 234 12
D 234 12
A 234
B 2 A 2 G 2
D 234
A 2
Try this :smile:
A 234 12
G 234
D 2
A 234
Followed by a Bmin/ A / G / D ???????? < ------- the last D before it turns around is where I go off the reservation !
:smile:
D for 10 :)
 #93381  by strumminsix
 
Rusty the Scoob wrote:
Tennessee Jedi wrote:I see my prob ... well one of them :lol:
I do A to G for the 1st two chords of the break
Hmmmmm thought I had this all sussed out ...
:D
My bad, you and S6 are right. I should know better than to play music at my desk with no bass in hand while not even listening to the right song. :?
I've been guilty of that a few times
Tennessee Jedi wrote:You are making the band mates nervous with the different progression !
:D
We can do it
maybe
sorta
?

TJ - this is a classic case of: learn how to play from the album and learn how to perform from the live cuts

Many folks call the studio version blasphemy but I disagree.