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Re: grateful dead newbie help!!

PostPosted:Sat May 08, 2010 10:37 pm
by jjbankhead
here's the link to the miniature guitar guy i was talking about.

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http://www.axeheaven.com/Rock_Stars/Jer ... tible.aspx

there are three of jerry's alembics that he has made scales of. I have the tiger. they are about 6" tall

Re: grateful dead newbie help!!

PostPosted:Mon May 10, 2010 10:23 am
by jimmy_wolfie
gr8fulbluz wrote:I always liked liquidblue for GD tshirts.

like this one>>>HeRe>>>30TH ANNIVERSARY RINGER T-SHIRT

Have fun!

wow! i really like this! and its always a plus to get him something i'd like to see him in too ;)

thanks for all the tips and advice guys, i really appreciate it!

and yeah, he really liked all musical things under the sun from grateful dead to iron maiden to metallica to phish... i think the only thing he doesn't really like is the really intense metal like cradle of filth and other "cookie monster" type metal, haha!

Re: grateful dead newbie help!!

PostPosted:Mon May 10, 2010 1:58 pm
by Rusty the Scoob
ebick wrote:
czyfingers wrote:I was kinda thinking the same thing about the Maiden/Dead combination. Very unusual, but hey there's lots of unusual things about being a head and everything that goes with it.
You know I was once told by an alleged Dead Head that you could not be into Yes AND The Dead.

Interesting... Yes is very structured and the Dead is very loose, but they both tickle the brain with lots of simultaneous continuously moving parts.

Also Chris Squier is awesome... playing a very active lead/counterpoint role much like Phil, although the parts are written out and he plays ahead of the beat a lot more...


Back on topic... I want just about everything Dead-related! Can't go wrong. Crimson, White and Indigo as stated above is great, I got it delivered by Amazon in about 3 days.

Re: grateful dead newbie help!!

PostPosted:Wed Jun 02, 2010 11:10 pm
by EnergyAZ
crazyfingerssotm wrote:I don't understand how you could have a room full of iron maiden memorabilia and be really into the grateful dead at the same time, in the same incarnation on the same planet, but I suppose I just suffer from a very narrow mind.

But god bless a girlfriend who lives with an entire room full of any sort of stuff.

OK maybe that was on the mean side, so here is a gift idea: I would suggest the SYF pint glasses...

http://store.dead.net/kitchenware/syf-pint-glasses

Hello - I registered on this site to rap off this poster's comment - so forgive me in advance for the hijack. Allow me to say that I feel it is impossible for a Grateful Dead fan to be considered 'narrow minded' lol

But I had this very same conversation with my wife this evening - how Iron Maiden and Grateful Dead could happily co-exist in the heart and mind of any music fan.

First we should get the obvious differences out of the way:

One is a heavy metal band. :cool: One is a psychedellic jam band. :smile: One is from England. One is from San Francisco.

And there is where the differences largely end. These two musical entities actually have far more in common than not!

1.) Both bands enjoyed surprisingly long tenures. 30 years for Grateful Dead, and 35 years (and counting) for Iron Maiden.

2.) Both bands represented a collective F U! to the establishments of their time. Both bands comprised of long haired, counter culture 'rebels' who knew how to have a good time! :drink: Both bands had some controversy earlier in their careers; one for drugs, the other for being 'satanic' (lock up your daughters - the freaks are out!)

3.) Both bands have a wealth of studio recordings that span decades.

4.) Both bands conducted massive, grueling tours virtually every year of their existence.

5.) If one would have said in the late sixties that nearly 30 years later the Grateful Dead would be performing in stadiums, composed largely of younger fans who were not around during the band's orgininal hayday - people would have said you were crazy. Similarly in 1980 if one would have said that in 30 years Iron Maiden would be performing in stadiums, composed largely of younger fans who were not around during the band's orginal hayday - people would have said you were crazy!

6.) Both bands are phenominal live acts, a direct result of decades of live performance experience. In fact, of the hundreds of concerts I have seen in my day, these two bands easily stood out as the best sounding flawlessly executed displays of musical mastery. And these are long shows, featuring long complex pieces. Excellent stage shows, and a loving adoring crowd where the sweet scent of 420 permiates the air.

7.) Both bands are well known by instantly recognizable, iconic art. Lots of skelletons! Many posters for both bands can be stared at for hours disecting the minute detail one may find.

8.) Both bands were profoundly influential in their respective music scenes, influencing scores of musicians to further propell their respective genres.

And from the horses mouth, Iron Maiden vocalist Bruce Dickinson himself had once said in response to the question "Does it bother you that people are so driven by the hits, that they don’t give new material a fair shot?"

"We’re very philosophical about it, because we’re very aware… Going back to the earliest days of Iron Maiden, our first label said we’d never happen in the States, because we were too aggressive, and too out of left field. This was even before I was in the band. Then, when we had “Number Of The Beast,” and people thought we’d convert to Twisted Sister and be a flavor of the month. In reality, though, we have more in common with the Grateful Dead. That’s more of who we are."


So there ya have it!

respectfully submitted by a hair farmer who has a long time love affair with both The Grateful Dead and Iron Maiden

:P

Re: grateful dead newbie help!!

PostPosted:Thu Jun 03, 2010 7:26 am
by FretWilkes
EnergyAZ wrote:Hello - I registered on this site to rap off this poster's comment - so forgive me in advance for the hijack. Allow me to say that I feel it is impossible for a Grateful Dead fan to be considered 'narrow minded' lol
:P
While I completely understand your comment here, I must also state that many Deadheads are EXTREMELY narrow minded as fas as other musical endeavors. Heck, I've been a Dead snob for years, I should know! lol

I play in a band that does a lot of Dead. We tend to get very good crowds of enthusiastic Deadheads. I also have my own band that while I touch on Dead/Jerry it is not the main focus of the band. The music is more country orientated with a heavy Dylan influence, but certainly within the "Dead sphere of influence". I get a much different crowd with my band with very few of the Deadheads that come to see the other band. Some have actually come and left rather early. When I asked why they left the responses were "not enough Dead"...not the band sucked, you sucked, I had a headache....no..."not enough Dead". Now, these are the same people that tell me they really enjoy my guitar playing, singing and blah, blah, blah with the "Dead" band. While I certainly appreciate the comments, it rings a little hollow to me has all they are really saying is that they like Grateful Dead music. My playing/singing is the same style whichever band I'm in, but these people won't listen to my band because there's "not enough Dead".

Intersestingly, the people that come to see my band are more open to the variety of stuff that I do including the Dead/Jerry stuff. They never leave saying "too much Dead". lol

Whew, got that off my chest.

Re: grateful dead newbie help!!

PostPosted:Thu Jun 03, 2010 8:54 am
by tcsned
FretWilkes - it seems like it can go both ways - some heads listen only to Dead and nothing else which I think is a shame as there is a lot of good music out there not performed by our favorite band some appreciate a full spectrum of music and playing some oddball stuff can go over really well. It reminds me of an interview I heard with Pete Townsend - the reporter asked him why they only did short 2:30 tunes while the Beatles were getting into longer songs - he replied "Our audience is actually quite thick." While I don't think that those people are stupid or as Pete said "thick," music is a very subjective and personal thing to people and trying to please everyone is impossible you can only hope to amuse yourself and hope to amuse a few others while you're at it. We are about to head to the OBX for our annual beach shows and the club owner one year was a little concerned that we weren't playing enough Dead and had someone count the number of Dead tunes we played because I think the night before we got onto a Stones kick for 4 or 5 tunes and someone in the club said something to him - gotta laugh that shit off.

@EnergyAZ - I hear you, I'm not a huge metal fan but in high school I took a music theory class and a bunch of my friends in that class were hard core metal heads so we spent a couple of years trying to convert each other. They took me to see Iron Maiden twice in '83 and 84 I think and they were an outstanding live band. Also an AC/DC show which I really loved and still really like that band and think they were the heir to the Stones. I took them to the Dead at the Cap Centre in 82 and Merriweather in 83 and they loved it, didn't trade their leather for tie-dyes but really came away appreciating what a great guitarist Jerry was. I have a weakness for punk rock and while I've never had the opportunity to play in a punk band have pulled out a Ramones tune or two one the Deadheads as well as doing a Blister in the Sun --> Ripple to close shows fairly regularly. We've also messed around with a couple of Gogol Bordello tunes. They might not be ready for Black Flag or the Pistols but those tunes go over pretty well. We also do a Bird Song --> No Rain (Blind Melon) --> Bird Song when my wife is up for singing a tune with us while not punk is kind of out of the Dead sphere and is a real crowd pleaser. Some people appreciate irony some don't . . . I like irony

"Goes to show you don't ever know"

Re: grateful dead newbie help!!

PostPosted:Thu Jun 03, 2010 9:12 am
by JonnyBoy
I had to appreciate the irony in that story about iron maiden, and I see both points. Fret has played a long time with a certain fan base that has expectations of him, and may had those expectations let down when his fans saw him doing another gig altogether... They may have thought Fret was going to do a "solo" Jerry attempt only to get a completely different set of music. Even though they liked it or it was good, it let down their expectations for the night, I am assuming all over the place there... Its funny to see Iron Maiden compare themselves to the Dead and what you said is all true Energyaz, there are some comparisons, and the reality of the masses is true in Fret's case also.

Re: grateful dead newbie help!!

PostPosted:Thu Jun 03, 2010 8:27 pm
by jjbankhead
I completely agree with Energy AZ,

i think people who truly appreciate what the dead are and what their music represents could appreciate just about any kind of music.

i listen to everything from the rev gary davis to hank williams to the gorilla biscuits and de la soul. Sprinkle in some Slayer Crass and Bird.

when i went to a dark star orchestra show in April my buddy tim summed it up for me.

he said what was so great about the dead was they were a true representation of American music. they played everything from folk/country, to blues/rock and roll, to jazz etc.

i think understanding this helps me to understand why i like the dead and why they fit so well in my repertoire.