#39197  by Crazy 9.5 Fingers
 
The violence should be attributed solely to the dipshit Angel who probably got too fucked up, and was probably a redneck asshole.

Gimme Shelter really is a very good movie about the whole episode for those who don't know about the incident.

And to think, Mike Gordon only got his nuts tazered by the Angels.

 #39198  by Tennessee Jedi
 
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Thats priceless.

 #39202  by willmusic
 
I saw that, too. I was actually waiting for this post to happen. Wasn't it Sam Cutler, the Stones manager, who hired them?

 #39210  by tigerstrat
 
Crazy 9.5 Fingers wrote:The violence should be attributed solely to the dipshit Angel who probably got too fucked up, and was probably a redneck asshole.
Oh, was it just one Angel who was violent that day? It's pretty clear to me from the footage that there were dozens of bikers going medieval on people's asses- and that's just onstage!

 #39212  by Tennessee Jedi
 
The guy that got stabbed had a gun if I remember right...seems like bad vibes all around.
The Dead pulled out and played a concert somewhere else,I think ?

 #39214  by frankielee
 
Most of the Angels that started trouble were prospects...They had just California on the back of they're vests...Garcia later said that maybe if the Dead had played it might not have turned so violent

 #39215  by strumminsix
 
The HAs used to do alot of security, IIRC.
And the GD suggested using the HAs, again, IIRC.

 #39216  by Crazy 9.5 Fingers
 
tigerstrat wrote:
Crazy 9.5 Fingers wrote:The violence should be attributed solely to the dipshit Angel who probably got too fucked up, and was probably a redneck asshole.
Oh, was it just one Angel who was violent that day? It's pretty clear to me from the footage that there were dozens of bikers going medieval on people's asses- and that's just onstage!
Well I figured if I mentioned all of them then you would jump on me for stereotyping bikers. Maybe you just like jumping on me, I know Mrs. Crazy 9.5 does.

But I agree, from the footage, there seemed to be a bunch of douches in Angel's colors especially the guy beating on Marty Balin.

Had he gone after Jorma first I bet he would have gotten dropped.

 #39220  by strumminsix
 
Hey don't stereotype us bikers.

Been riding for 10+ years and so do most of my friends.

 #39224  by tigerstrat
 
strumminsix wrote:The HAs used to do alot of security, IIRC.
And the GD suggested using the HAs, again, IIRC.
This was a pretty complicated fiasco.

Scully's claim is that, against his advice, Stones manager Sam Cutler (who later worked for the GD) insisted on using the Bay area Angels, because the RS had used them for their free London concert. However these were English Angels, a different, less violent group altogether. The Bay area HA's had much more of a rep for mayhem.

The "officers" of the Angels were not present to keep the green recruits doing the beatings in check- they all had a big drug-turf meeting in Oakland that day, an issue of PRIME importance to all the area chapters.

But what really screwed everything was Jagger BLURTING out on TV that there was a free concert planned at all, violating the Parks board conditions on the Golden Gate Park permit that there was to be NO advance notice of this mega-event. So they had the permit revoked by the city, and had to move the event way out east of the Bay to the dicey raceway location, with terrible access, no facilities, no cops, no water, dustbowl conditions, etc. and very little law enforcement present.

And yes, the GD had a gig that night planned at ...the Avalon? But no concert was performed, they just hung out and got drunk and did nitrous in the dressing room and Bill Graham called Scully a murderer.

 #39227  by devil
 
My favorite non-dead music movie.

Thanks for the info. I think they were waiting for sundown for the doc. The stones and the film are to blame IMO (as well as the angels). Part of me has always wondered if the turmoil wasn't set up in some way for the film. Not fake but planned.

 #39229  by Chief5959
 
I think there was enough blame for everyone to get a taste. The stage was not high enough and there was no security area between the stage and the fans. The Angles and their prospects parked their bikes in front of the stage and would get miffed when people started to touch them whether by accident or by design. The Dead and the Stones had an unrealistic view of the Angels. The Stones should not have waited so long to go on stage once they knew that there had been trouble during the other band's sets. The Dead were scheduled to perform but did not. I do not know the reason why.

 #39230  by tigerstrat
 
Chief5959 wrote:The Dead were scheduled to perform but did not. I do not know the reason why.
Would YOU? Marty Balin was knocked unconscious, Stephen Stills was shanked with a wheel spoke, and Phil Lesh almost got the pool cue treatment himself just for trying to leave the Dead's equiptment truck to get to his gear which was on the side of the stage. He described the front of the stage as resembling an epic battle out of Lord of the Rings.
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 #39232  by tigerstrat
 
I said "equiptment" :lol: :lol: :lol: