TI4-1009 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 5:41 pm
Once again Mike thrusts his age-old hardon against Tom Lieber.
Yawn.
Give it a rest.
lovetoboogie wrote:TI4-1009 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 5:41 pm
Once again Mike thrusts his age-old hardon against Tom Lieber.
Yawn.
Give it a rest.
Thank you...this whole post/thread is really sort of weird and inappropriate.
I just want to add that I started a discussion pertaining to the actual design and details of instruments that were always stated as being made by 1 person, and it did not include a second until Doug had a bicycle accident that ended with a very traumatic brain injury. The money he made from the instruments at auction went for his medical bills and recovery. If he could make an instrument or any other instruments, he probably would because he could make a mint if he could produce them. However he cannot because he has a very traumatic brain injury! But Mr. Lieber is taking this unfortunate situation and has now sprung upon the scene(about 10'ish years ago) with all kinds of stories that sound exactly like the interviews Doug has had. He has no real substance in building either Wolf or Tiger for that matter at his own self admittance. He Left with Tiger in just pieces. But it's my hardon for the truth that is the problem, that is the troll? What kind of world do we live in? Am i really being a bully when I challenge fact from fiction? Is this some old article with this statement made? Or is this a new article with some pretty relevant information if it was actually verified. But HE, Thomas Lieber, personally told me when i dug in for information about Wolf that he had NOTHING to do with Wolf's rehab.
Personal attacks upon me were neither needed nor appropriate. If you have something to add to the discussion, like maybe actual verified accounts or the like, then by all means lets discuss the issue raised. But instead the real playground bullies show their face and it just gets pushed aside as some bullshit issue waldo is ranting and raving over! Did Lieber Build Tiger? Nope he was gone, claims a lot more but maybe only cut the wood as he stated. HE never rehabbed Wolf and now claims he in fact took the sticker off when Doug came up with the brilliant idea to inlay it! Really? This guitar is over 40 years old and this information just now rises to the top with no one ever verifying the information. No one can talk to Doug, ONLY Lieber! So He gets a second chance at rewriting his own history and actual attachments to each instrument. Like changing Lennon/McCartney to McCartney/Lennon, however, only Lieber's name has NEVER been associated to Jerry's Irwin's guitars until he associated himself with them. Doug himself never mentions Tom in any way shape or form in any of his interviews. Neither does Jerry. So if Tom is so instrumental in the design of "The Garcia" as he calls it, the Irwin Logo and all these prominent design and build ideas to these instruments was he really only an apprentice? He really does not deserve credit for the work he actually did? He is claiming it now, and ya'll have no problem with it. cool. , Doug never acknowledged his existence and neither did Jerry. You hear about the work Turner, Fuller, Ramroad, Parish, Cutler, Brawer OR what Irwin did to his instrumenst. But none of them state anything about Lieber. Until one of them do, or someone else states they were there when Tom was doing the work he has claimed he has done to Jerry's guitars. I am not buying it, as for the haters, i am having a discussion about the Grateful Dead!
https://www.rukind.com/viewtopic.php?f=359&t=12851
~waldo