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 #77186  by Grateful Dad
 Sun Apr 04, 2010 9:58 am
I hang on the F to G chords. Listen to the album for a simplified riff when Phil plays the F note at the eigth fret and ends the riff with what sounds like a hammer-on* from F over C at the tenth fret to the G over D at the twelth fret and back to the F note at the eighth fret for the one. As the song evolves in live performance Phil expanded/improvised around this theme but it still centers around the F to G.

Tempo = 60
F------G*
/ / / /

Hope this helps!
Let me know if you have any more questions. This is my favorite Grateful Dead tune to play on bass.

:smile: :smile:
 #77235  by Rusty the Scoob
 Mon Apr 05, 2010 5:29 am
I play it a little bit differently, but similar. I hang on the F on the 13th fret of the E string, and for the upper chords I play G-B double stops on the D and G strings, sliding down to F-A double stops. It was a struggle to get the muting and balance down for it to sound right, especially with a pick, but I think that's what he's playing...

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The only difference between my version and G-Dad's is that he plays the 5th of the G and F chords and I play the 3rd. It's likely that Phil changed from his way to mine when he went from four to six strings - I'll have to investigate that.
 #148594  by zambiland
 Mon Aug 24, 2015 3:34 pm
Rusty the Scoob wrote:I play it a little bit differently, but similar. I hang on the F on the 13th fret of the E string, and for the upper chords I play G-B double stops on the D and G strings, sliding down to F-A double stops. It was a struggle to get the muting and balance down for it to sound right, especially with a pick, but I think that's what he's playing...

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The only difference between my version and G-Dad's is that he plays the 5th of the G and F chords and I play the 3rd. It's likely that Phil changed from his way to mine when he went from four to six strings - I'll have to investigate that.
I think the double stop is a C and F fourth on the 10th fret D and G strings that slides down a half step. I wonder if there's a video out there that shows the fingering he uses.
 #148815  by zambiland
 Mon Sep 07, 2015 10:14 pm
Nope, after much listening, Rusty The Scoob is right.

I'm learning the whole album to play with Dave Hebert next weekend.

What interesting about Phil's part is the turn around at the end of the 1st verse line. On the album he plays F C A D but later it sounds like he goes to F E B A.

Hm.
 #148820  by Rusty the Scoob
 Tue Sep 08, 2015 6:31 am
I haven't had a chance to go back and really check but I think he plays it your way in the 6-string era and my way in the 4 string era. Shame on me for only owning 4s and 5s but I'll get a modded Carvin someday or pony up for a nice Q6.

Those turnarounds gave me absolute fits until I realized - he's changing it literally every time! Not just from version to version but between each verse as well, he picks some other way to play it that makes harmonic sense, generally choosing notes from the F major pentatonic, I think. If you can come up with about 5 different variations that sound good and make sense, that should do the trick.

Congrats on the gig with Dave! He's a cool dude and great player. :cool:
 #148822  by zambiland
 Tue Sep 08, 2015 7:35 am
Rusty the Scoob wrote:I haven't had a chance to go back and really check but I think he plays it your way in the 6-string era and my way in the 4 string era. Shame on me for only owning 4s and 5s but I'll get a modded Carvin someday or pony up for a nice Q6.

Those turnarounds gave me absolute fits until I realized - he's changing it literally every time! Not just from version to version but between each verse as well, he picks some other way to play it that makes harmonic sense, generally choosing notes from the F major pentatonic, I think. If you can come up with about 5 different variations that sound good and make sense, that should do the trick.

Congrats on the gig with Dave! He's a cool dude and great player. :cool:
Thanks! We get to hang out a fair amount, as Colorado is home base for him and his band often plays one room at Quixote's while we play the other.
I also get to play with Rob Eaton Sr. and Jr. quite a bit. I had a great time with Jr. this weekend at State Bridge with Arthur Lee Land also in the band. Arthur is a terrific guitar player who also plays in Great American Taxi. It was great because Arthur and Rob Jr. can both play the hell out of the Bobby and the Jerry parts. And they both have huge ears and an excellent sense of time and groove. It was a dream for me.

Interestingly, I never play my 6 any more at all! The only time I play it is on non-GD gigs. Otherwise, it's always the Starfire.
 #150395  by Bassman
 Sun Jan 03, 2016 9:29 am
Hmmm, for all these years I have been playing the double stops as E-G 14th and 12th frets on the D and G string sliding down to the D-F 12th and 10th frets.
The D and G sliding to the C-F works and I had to go back and check...I definitely hear E and D underneath the G and F on the those double stops. Thoughts?


Check it out...bass comes through pretty good on this version:

https://archive.org/details/gd1977-10-0 ... eok.flac16
 #152727  by zambiland
 Tue Jun 28, 2016 9:43 pm
Well, I guess it just comes down to never trust a prankster. Reddy Kilowatt strikes again!