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 #5080  by sheshotseven
 Mon Apr 24, 2006 6:37 pm
Hey im a new guy here. i was just wondering if anybody knew what scale jerry used for Spanish Jam.

 #5585  by sheshotseven
 Sat May 13, 2006 6:41 pm
I found he plays in a scale like this. maybe someone could tell me what scale it is!

E|----------------------------------------------------------12--13--15
B|----------------------------------------------12--13--15------------
G|--------------------------------------12--14------------------------
D|--------------------------12--14--15--------------------------------
A|--------------12--14--15--------------------------------------------
E|--12--13--15--------------------------------------------------------

 #5587  by tigerstrat
 Sat May 13, 2006 11:01 pm
sheshotseven wrote:I found he plays in a scale like this. maybe someone could tell me what scale it is!

E|----------------------------------------------------------12--13--15
B|----------------------------------------------12--13--15------------
G|--------------------------------------12--14------------------------
D|--------------------------12--14--15--------------------------------
A|--------------12--14--15--------------------------------------------
E|--12--13--15--------------------------------------------------------
I was having a hard time reading that!

 #5589  by squire758
 Sun May 14, 2006 12:42 am
yea that would be an A major scale

 #5591  by JerJones
 Sun May 14, 2006 6:21 am
I am learning my scales. If it is A Major scale, please elaborate on theory.
Looks like Am scale to me.
E Phrygian from key of C Major.
Have heard SP Jam, but I am not familliar to play it.
Spanish Jam name makes me think minor also....
:roll:

 #5592  by JerJones
 Sun May 14, 2006 6:31 am
A aoelian?

 #5594  by maximinus
 Sun May 14, 2006 7:21 am
E phyrgian is what I play it in:

E|-----------------------------------------------0--1--3-----
B|--------------------------------------0--1--3--------------
G|-----------------------------0--2--4-----------------------
D|--------------------0--2--3--------------------------------
A|-----------0--2--3-----------------------------------------
E|--0--1--3--------------------------------------------------

Which is the same as G mixolydian/C major, if that makes things easier
 #5597  by phreaker
 Sun May 14, 2006 11:37 am
Whenever I play Spanish Jam it's always in the key of Am.

But the Dead were always switching keys to some of their songs.

 #5598  by tigerstrat
 Sun May 14, 2006 12:19 pm
__Emaj__________________________Fmaj
E|-----------|-----------------|--1--------
B|-----------|-----------------|--1-----------
G|-----------|-----------------|--2--------------
D|-----------|-----------------|--3-----------------
A|--------2--|--------2--0-----|--3--------------------
E|--0--4-----|--0--4--------4--|--1-----------------------

cue bull-whip and mariachi horns...

 #5601  by sarraqum
 Sun May 14, 2006 2:22 pm
Phrygian scale is quite often associated with spanish music......thats my input.

 #5603  by tigerstrat
 Sun May 14, 2006 2:26 pm
Ever since they were conquered by the Moops.

 #5613  by Billbbill
 Mon May 15, 2006 5:47 am
It's the "Moor's"!!! It's a typo, argh!!

 #5623  by HawaiianDedhed
 Mon May 15, 2006 2:42 pm
It looks like everybody (with the exception of A major) is right as far as the modes go (I have no idea if that is how you play Spanish Jam). All the modes listed were variations of the C major scale.


Ionian C D E F G A B (major scale)
Dorian D E F G A B C
Phrygian E F G A B C D (maximus)
Lydian F G A B C D E
Mixolydian G A B C D E F
Aeolian A B C D E F G (JerJones, Phreaker)
Locrian B C D E F G A

The same thing was being called by different names. The A aeolian mode is Am sounding because of that C (minor 3rd). Another name for it is the natural minor scale.

IT'S ALL THE SAME NOTES

 #5625  by tigerstrat
 Mon May 15, 2006 3:54 pm
OK, sounds like people know how to identify modes in C...

except the scale we want contains a G# not a G.
E F G# A B C D E.

so this could be thought of as the 5th mode of A harmonic minor

A little googling shows references to this scale as "Spanish Phrygian" or "C6 Bebop Scale"

 #6122  by wisedyes
 Thu Jun 08, 2006 6:18 am
Yeppers, try the harmonic minor scale, specifically the A harmonic minor. The fifth mode of A Harmonic minor actually works over an E7 chord, so it fits.