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 #53081  by Dozin
 Thu Nov 27, 2008 6:00 am
You guys agree with this?

Part 1 of Jam || : F Em D7 / | D7 / / / | D7 / - - ||
Part 2 of Jam ||: Am7 / / / | / / G#o7 / ||
Part 3 of Jam ||: E F# G | E F# G G A B | E F# G A B | x 2
B C# D | B C# D D E F# | B C# D E F# | x2 -- Em

End of Jam: F# E D C# D C# B C# A-B x4 --------> E
 #53084  by jonarobb
 Thu Nov 27, 2008 8:59 am
That doesn't look familiar for the most part. I imagine you're trying to figure out later versions but I still don't recognize Part 1.

Admittedly I don't listen to much 80's Dead.

The 73'-74' versions are like this....

First part of the jam after "Rise and fall..."


D.....C, G D......

Here's Weirs grips for the D, C & G

E|---------------
B|-----------10--
G|--------7------
D|-----7---------
A|--9------------
E|---------------

E|--------------
B|-----------5--
G|--------5-----
D|-----5--------
A|--7-----------
E|--------------

E|---------------
B|------------8--
G|---------7-----
D|------9--------
A|--10-----------
E|---------------

Additionally, I have the the "end of jam" correctly tabbed out like so:

This is what Weir does on the walk down ala 74'

E|------------------------------------------3-------
B|-/12--10--7--5--5/7\5--3-3-3/5--3----3----------3-
G|---0---0--0--0--0-0-0--0-0-0/0--0-------0---------
D|-/12--11--9--7--7/9\7--5-5-5/7--5--5---------5----
A|--------------------------------------------------
E|-------------------------------------------------- X3

E|--------------------------------3--------7--------
B|-/12--10--7--5--5/7\5--3-3-3/7--3--------7--------
G|---0---0--0--0--0-0-0--0-0-0/0--5--------9--------
D|-/12--11--9--7--7/9\7--5-5-5/9--5--------9--------
A|-----------------------------------------7--------
E|--------------------------------------------------
 #53085  by Dozin
 Thu Nov 27, 2008 9:16 am
Yeah, I was listening to Without a Net. I much rather do the 70's stuff on everything but with other band mate opinions, you know how it goes
 #53086  by strumminsix
 Thu Nov 27, 2008 9:17 am
Jonarob, we approach both parts differently but our end result is similar.

Dozin, I'm not quite sure I am hearing what you are writing about.
 #53087  by Dozin
 Thu Nov 27, 2008 9:29 am
It kind of proves my point. I don't get it either, lol I'm going to stick with 74.
 #53089  by jonarobb
 Thu Nov 27, 2008 9:49 am
Yeah, I hear you...

I just tab out how the Dead do it, LOL.

I use the The Winterland 74' Movie and Wake of the Flood outtakes.

The acoustic Weather Report demo on the Wake of the Flood extras is extremely handy for figuring this whole shebang out.

The Winterland 74' video is hard to mis-interpret. It's all right there...
 #53090  by jonarobb
 Thu Nov 27, 2008 9:54 am
Dozin wrote:Yeah, I was listening to Without a Net. I much rather do the 70's stuff on everything but with other band mate opinions, you know how it goes
I totally dig....

To my ear, those early 70's Let it Grow's just cooked more with one drummer. Mickey Hart brought the bam-bam with some cool results, just not my bag.
 #53094  by tigerstrat
 Thu Nov 27, 2008 12:03 pm
Later ones are pretty much the same as earlier ones, except: earlier ones tend to become more open-ended in the final jam (pt 3 reprised), and sometimes go into Space and/or other songs/jams- sometimes not finishing the song, whereas later ones were almost always used as the last or 2nd-to-last song of set I (w/ maybe a dozen exceptions, post-'76) and therefore would keep one foot firmly on the ("broken") ground" to come back and do the ending. Other than that (and obviously dropping the rest of the Suite), there were never no overt changes I'm aware of.
 #61980  by NashvilleMike
 Sun Jun 07, 2009 6:11 pm
During the verses I run on the c major and d major scales from the 8th and 10th frets and it sounds good. But on the jam those don't seem to fit as well.

Any pointers? Thanks!
 #62039  by FretfulDave
 Mon Jun 08, 2009 3:39 pm
originally:
Dozin wrote:You guys agree with this?

Part 1 of Jam || : F Em D7 / | D7 / / / | D7 / - - ||
Part 2 of Jam ||: Am7 / / / | / / G#o7 / ||
Part 3 of Jam ||: E F# G | E F# G G A B | E F# G A B | x 2
B C# D | B C# D D E F# | B C# D E F# | x2 -- Em

End of Jam: F# E D C# D C# B C# A-B x4 --------> E
I'll probably get flamed for asking/talking but...

I am just learning this part and seems to my ear that in full chords, the second part of the progression is:

Em F#m G | Em F#m G G Am B | Em F#m G Am B | x 2

not sure of the third part, haven't fooled with it yet. But the minors would fit with the key the jam started in. That is not to say that it didn't change, just what I think I hear and what sounds right playing alone on the guit. So willing to be educated on this. That said, if you only play the bottom three notes, you would get what would be the base of the major chords also. The Dead, especially Bobby, did a lot of partials. I am not an overly knowledgeable person here so let the blood bath begin.

As long as I am out on a limb, here is what I play for the walk down. Again alone on an acoustic guitar in my living room. It is all ears and memory.
Code: Select all
(/) Slide Up  (\) Slide Down  (h) Hammer On  (p) Pull Off  (b) Bend (r) Release (v) Vibrato

E|----------------------------------------
B|--12--10--8--7--5--8--7--5--7--3--7--5--
G|---------------------------------------
D|--12--10--9--9--7--9--9--7--9--5--9--7--
A|----------------------------------------
E|----------------------------------------
Played n times then to the Em something (Em/F# in Ed's tab)

Well it is probably a mash of parts, but that is what happens when one tries to adapt the music to a single instrument.

Maybe its all been covered off before. Maybe it was the Roses. So I figured, Might As Well. Anyway, love finding out things from this board.

Peace,

Dave
 #114909  by Tennessee Jedi
 Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:41 pm
jonarobb wrote:T


D.....C, G D......

Here's Weirs grips for the D, C & G
Anyone do it this way ? This is second time in a week someone has said they do it this way ....
Any vids of the Dead doing this way ?
 #114911  by Tennessee Jedi
 Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:03 pm
mkaufman wrote:D.....C, G D......

That's it!

mk
I dont hear it that way on the JFK DVD ..... help a bro out ....
Jonarobb has a great ear and a great player but i dont hear where its at .... when i play along I think the F / Em / D ..... sounds right ....
:?:
 #114912  by Grateful Dad
 Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:20 pm
mkaufman wrote:D.....C, G D......

That's it!

mk
Without sitting down and playing to it is this the 70's style 1st part of the long jam (D....C-G, repeat) verses the 80's version of:

D-D-D-D / D-D-F-Em (repeat X times....)

????

:smile: