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 #122097  by tigerstrat
 Sat Dec 15, 2012 10:01 pm
that's the key of this song other than on the Garcia album, no?
 #122108  by Octal
 Sun Dec 16, 2012 11:07 am
tigerstrat wrote:that's the key of this song other than on the Garcia album, no?
Well, the Reckoning version is in D.
 #122124  by tigerstrat
 Mon Dec 17, 2012 1:41 am
Octal wrote:
tigerstrat wrote:that's the key of this song other than on the Garcia album, no?
Well, the Reckoning version is in D.
Reckoning = E: http://www.rhapsody.com/artist/the-grat ... -song-live

But OK so I did a little research. The earliest live versions 2/19/71 to 8/23/71 are in D. They also rehearsed it in D with Keith in Sept/Oct 1971 before his first tour, but the next live performance of Bird Song turned out to be in the key of E, 7/18/72 Jersey City. All live versions of this song from 7/18/72 and later are in E, which incidentally encompasses all acoustic versions. Peace.
 #122129  by Pete B.
 Mon Dec 17, 2012 8:25 am
I always play/sing this one in D on 6-string guitar.
If someone calls it in E, I am hoping I am either on 7-string guitar (the intro lick is exactly the same, ya just start on string 7), or Pedal Steel (very easy to transpose a full step).
I basically do the Garcia album version. I love the way that sounds, and I just don't get the same vibe from other versions.
 #122130  by ebick
 Mon Dec 17, 2012 8:33 am
Pete B. wrote:I always play/sing this one in D <snip>I basically do the Garcia album version. I love the way that sounds, and I just don't get the same vibe from other versions.
^^^ This. I know they changed it to E, but I'm just all about the D version.
 #122132  by tigerstrat
 Mon Dec 17, 2012 11:01 am
ebick wrote:
Pete B. wrote:I always play/sing this one in D <snip>I basically do the Garcia album version. I love the way that sounds, and I just don't get the same vibe from other versions.
^^^ This. I know they changed it to E, but I'm just all about the D version.
the early D ones don't do it quite the same for me. To my ears it would be really tough to beat 6/22/73 Vancouver B.C... although my best attended was the stupendous 12/28/88 in Oakland.
 #122134  by ebick
 Mon Dec 17, 2012 1:18 pm
tigerstrat wrote:
ebick wrote:
Pete B. wrote:I always play/sing this one in D <snip>I basically do the Garcia album version. I love the way that sounds, and I just don't get the same vibe from other versions.
^^^ This. I know they changed it to E, but I'm just all about the D version.
the early D ones don't do it quite the same for me. To my ears it would be really tough to beat 6/22/73 Vancouver B.C... although my best attended was the stupendous 12/28/88 in Oakland.
For me, it's one thing to play it and another to hear the Dead play it. I have no problem hearing them in E......it's just that for me, playing it myself, I prefer D.
 #122136  by Pete B.
 Mon Dec 17, 2012 1:47 pm
That intro on the album is how I want it to sound when I play it.
That is the quinnisential take on it, to my ear.
I'll go a step furthur and say that Loser from that album is also how I do Loser. The entire solo stays in Am. fwiw, not a fan of the pick-chime solo over the verse chords.
I also do Wheel like it is on the album. With Pedal Steel, and at that hightened tempo.
That's just the way it was for me between '76-'81 or so, as I was in 9th-12th grade learning Guitar and Pedal Steel. Records were my only reference.
I still love all those records.
 #122137  by ebick
 Mon Dec 17, 2012 2:16 pm
Pete B. wrote:That intro on the album is how I want it to sound when I play it.
That is the quinnisential take on it, to my ear.
I'll go a step furthur and say that Loser from that album is also how I do Loser. The entire solo stays in Am. fwiw, not a fan of the pick-chime solo over the verse chords.
I also do Wheel like it is on the album. With Pedal Steel, and at that hightened tempo.
That's just the way it was for me between '76-'81 or so, as I was in 9th-12th grade learning Guitar and Pedal Steel. Records were my only reference.
I still love all those records.
you and me.....we are on the same page....except I don't know pedal steel :)