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 #1539  by strumminsix
 Tue Apr 05, 2005 8:21 am
[quote="captain_trip_420"]Heres the chords for the jam.
A D A E A[/quote]

Right on! Found that simple progression after beating my head against it for like an hour.

If it helps anyone to remember it, I think of it like:

A D A

A E A

Then it goes into:
Bm A E A D A x2

 #1541  by ebick
 Tue Apr 05, 2005 8:34 am
It's basically Samson & Delilah in A.....just as Strumminsix and and captin_trips posted.....the main reason I didn't like it when they went to that from a more free form space-type jam.

 #1542  by strumminsix
 Tue Apr 05, 2005 11:12 am
Ya, I've got a show or two that has "On my own..." being a launch of a wider jam. It did, in the songs defense, start off with that A D A, then noodled to an E then an A jam. But not at all structured as ebick properly compared to "Samson".

 #1545  by ebick
 Tue Apr 05, 2005 5:55 pm
Listen to the really old ones, like the first tour they played it. I don't recall hearing any "structured" jam at all, it just went into space.
 #1561  by awgust west
 Sun Apr 10, 2005 8:19 pm
probably the most political song the Dead did and i might add very acurate (forgive my spelling (public skewl)) I loved it when they played this tune.... a real crowd pleaser....

 #1565  by jhc
 Tue Apr 12, 2005 1:07 pm
Trivia fact: David Gans was the guy who came up with the "Shipping powders back and forth / Black goes south and white goes north"
 #2220  by strumminsix
 Mon Nov 28, 2005 9:02 am
[quote="awgust west"]probably the most political song the Dead did and i might add very acurate (forgive my spelling (public skewl)) I loved it when they played this tune.... a real crowd pleaser....[/quote]

And, interestingly enough, Barlow is a conservative and was a Republican for most of his life.
 #4152  by caspersvapors
 Tue Mar 14, 2006 2:56 am
strumminsix wrote:
awgust west wrote:probably the most political song the Dead did and i might add very acurate (forgive my spelling (public skewl)) I loved it when they played this tune.... a real crowd pleaser....
And, interestingly enough, Barlow is a conservative and was a Republican for most of his life.
Barlow isnt a conservative by today's standards. He is actually a Liberterian (hence hanging out with a bunch of hippies). And I believe he left his position as a Republican spokesman in his county or something. He strongly opposes Bush
 #4155  by strumminsix
 Tue Mar 14, 2006 6:53 am
caspersvapors wrote:
strumminsix wrote:
awgust west wrote:probably the most political song the Dead did and i might add very acurate (forgive my spelling (public skewl)) I loved it when they played this tune.... a real crowd pleaser....
And, interestingly enough, Barlow is a conservative and was a Republican for most of his life.
Barlow isnt a conservative by today's standards. He is actually a Liberterian (hence hanging out with a bunch of hippies). And I believe he left his position as a Republican spokesman in his county or something. He strongly opposes Bush
That's if you say conservative = republican.

Personally I don't. I know tons of conservatives who aren't Bush-backers. I am a Libertarian and most Libs who I know were once Reps who became disinterested with the party as they lost their core conservative values.

Long story short, today republicans are not conservatives.

 #4165  by tigerstrat
 Tue Mar 14, 2006 11:07 am
ebick wrote:Listen to the really old ones, like the first tour they played it. I don't recall hearing any "structured" jam at all, it just went into space.
Space? To me Space has no time signature and a "freely" tempo (if both are possible at once) I haven't heard ALL of the early ones but, but they definitely keep the rhythm going and go into a modal jam... I've always played the standard arrangement but, it sounds to me at least on both 10/9&10/82 (a couple of weeks after the first one) like the band comps the intro vamp on the A major chord while Jerry goes a lil nutty (and pretty darn major/minor ambiguous) playing an A Dorian all over it.

I just noticed that the chords to the bridge of the song appear to be posted in the songs section incorrectly:


C#m____________A__________________E
Commissars and pin-striped bosses roll the dice
Bm___________G______________________A
Any way they fall guess who gets to pay the price.
E ______________A___________E
Money green or proletarian gray,
________Bm_______________A
Selling guns instead of food today.


My band plays it as:
C#m____________A___________E
Commissars and pin-striped bosses roll the dice
______________Bm____A_______________E______________E!D!
Any way they fall guess who gets to pay the price.
E_______________A____________E
Money green or proletarian gray,
________Bm_______________A
Selling guns instead of food today.

Bob always said this was their most apolitical song. Think about it.

 #4172  by strumminsix
 Tue Mar 14, 2006 12:25 pm
Right on, TS! BTW, if you want a really neat sound after "proletariat grey", play an Em7.

It's funny cuz different versions sound different after "who pays the price". Some versions sound like E D E, and others A D E.


This is very apolitical. It basically says both sides are wrong. And remember this was the 80s Regan, Barlow knew and at one time supported Karl Rove but thought he was going too far in the cold war against Russia/communism:

International:
Comisars = communisists
Pin-stripe bosses = republicans

National:
Money green = capitalists (reps)
Proletariat grey = socialists (dems)

However, the worst part is that is more true now than ever with both parties being wrong in the 80s and since they've each moved further and further in their respective left or right direction.
 #4180  by caspersvapors
 Tue Mar 14, 2006 2:56 pm
strumminsix wrote:
caspersvapors wrote:
strumminsix wrote: And, interestingly enough, Barlow is a conservative and was a Republican for most of his life.
Barlow isnt a conservative by today's standards. He is actually a Liberterian (hence hanging out with a bunch of hippies). And I believe he left his position as a Republican spokesman in his county or something. He strongly opposes Bush
That's if you say conservative = republican.

Personally I don't. I know tons of conservatives who aren't Bush-backers. I am a Libertarian and most Libs who I know were once Reps who became disinterested with the party as they lost their core conservative values.

Long story short, today republicans are not conservatives.
thats exactly what I meant actually

 #4181  by strumminsix
 Tue Mar 14, 2006 3:37 pm
Amen to that.

I am very upset by the polarization of this countries 2 party system. I am very upset its a 2 party system when its design was not a 2 pary system but a representative republic where elected officials represented the people NOT THEIR PARTY (not yelling at anyone here just hoping maybe someone in office hears that :lol: ).

Out of the many people I know (really I have a couple friends) most of them are "in the middle" wishing they could 'a la carte' from the different sides.

But what do they do in response, go further in each, opposite direction.

Very frustrating. It's also frustrating to me when people make the association of lib=dem or cons=rep. As I see it, these 2 parties are moving too far away from either their lib or cons base and moving towards socialism and fascism.

Sorry to rant, it just really upsets me. Most of us are centrists and there aren't many leaders out there going for the center. You can be a capitalist but compassionate and human. You can look to make socialist programs to help the young, the elderly and the incapable without being a socialist country.

Geez. I need a smoke...