Grateful Dead Music Forum

A place to talk about the music of the Grateful Dead 

 #1696  by shakedown_04092
 Tue May 24, 2005 8:49 am
Can anyone "help" (yes pun, although lame, is intended) me figure out a good scale to use for the jam during Help, before they go back to the last verse?

I've never played the solo part, I usually just jam through it, but I am itching to figure out what more to do here...

 #1700  by Billbbill
 Tue May 24, 2005 2:21 pm
OK Shakedown,

I'm not very technically oriented so I'll communicate this the best I can.

Here's the notes I play:


I would guess this is some kind of Fm or Cm scale. For a more funky and bluesey and less spacey feel I riff in F blues pentatonic. That would be excluding the G and D. I find this works well over the Fm and Cm portion. You can even go to C blues pentatonic over the Cm chord as the difference between the C and F Blues scales is the C scale has the G and the F has the G#.

They all look like this side by side:

F-G-G#-Bb-C-D-Eb-F--------- the original minor scale

F---G#-Bb-C---Eb-F--------- F blues pentatonic

----------C---Eb-F-G-Bb-C-- C blues pentatonic

Over the "poised for..." portion you have to play around a bit to get the feel but the minor scales are a better fit than the pentatonic.

I'm sure others approach this differently, but this is how I look at it.

 #1702  by shakedown_04092
 Tue May 24, 2005 3:06 pm
Hi Bill,

Thanks again, as always...

Geez, only 3 days in the forum and I'm already learning some great stuff. This'll keep me busy for hours....

Gotta run, open mic night tonight. I just learned "High Time" this afternoon and I figure I'll wheel that one out to the crowd...that should be a stinger!