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 #137321  by Trecia
 Thu Mar 06, 2014 10:10 pm
So hypothetically.... Fender does an full up relic custom shop clone of Alligator. Let's say the last used on stage version.
I'm thinking with all the custom fabrication and payments to the estate and just pure hype associated with these guitars we're looking at like 12k. Some here can afford that. Most can't. But that's not the important thing.
How does it make you feel? About the dead cover/influenced band where you see one being played?
About fender? About the Garcia estate? Etc?

I think it's only a matter of time. I'm actually surprised it hasn't been done already.
And for the record I have no affiliation with fender or the instrument industry whatsoever.
 #137328  by TI4-1009
 Fri Mar 07, 2014 6:53 am
 #137331  by Trecia
 Fri Mar 07, 2014 8:43 am
Let me add as the OP I'm not interested in a gator clone or a fender relic version if one comes out someday.
I'm just curious what the feeling is around here.... Because I'm not sure how I'd feel about it myself.
It might be cool to check out one cause it'd prob be as close as I ever got to the real thing. But on the other hand... Bleh
 #137333  by Tennessee Jedi
 Fri Mar 07, 2014 9:01 am
I would feel fine about it
And I get what you are saying about the custom shop being so much but really you could just build a reasonable clone far cheaper
Gator doesnt have the world wide cache that SRV's and E.C. guitars do - I would be surprised if they ever offered a 'gator
:smile:
 #137334  by waldo041
 Fri Mar 07, 2014 9:24 am
I would be cool with Fender getting permission and access to Alligator from his estate, getting every detail possible from it and then reproducing their research for sale. Like they did with many other famous axes. However, it would be uncool to use information researched by others to sell their version. Or question someone who had permission and got the information in detail about their research to produce a copy for sale. Or ask for specific measurements, specs or details from someone's customers who actually held and researched the actual instrument to undercut and sell their own copy. But again, if they got the permission and did the research themselves I think that would be pretty much the only way a company like Fender could go about making a copy of it.

Just my thoughts on it,

~waldo
 #137336  by gr8fullfred
 Fri Mar 07, 2014 9:27 am
It would be pretty weird for Fender to ever offer an Alligator replica because:

Except for the pickups, Jerry pretty much ditched most of the strat like features:

1)good bye tremolo, hello hardtail. The tremolo (wammy bar) is one of the things that makes a strat a strat. With no tremolo it ceases to become strat like and starts to be more like an SG.

2)hardtail string tie downs

3)New bridge ( I guess all of these three are goodbye tremolo hello hard tail)

Plus various electronic changes.

Jerry basically de stratified Alligator, I doubt Fender would be interested in doing that!

Jerry liked the single coil pickups (said to Doug Irwin "if it had strat pickups, I could play that shit")

and Jerry liked the Strat scale length. He did not like much else about Stratocasters.

JMHO! Apparently once Wolf arrived, Jerry never picked up another Strat again!
 #137337  by TI4-1009
 Fri Mar 07, 2014 9:47 am
gr8fullfred wrote: 1)good bye tremolo, hello hardtail. The tremolo (wammy bar) is one of the things that makes a strat a strat. With no tremolo it ceases to become strat like and starts to be more like an SG.

Huh???


JMHO! Apparently once Wolf arrived, Jerry never picked up another Strat again!
Well, there was....

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 #137341  by tigerstrat
 Fri Mar 07, 2014 10:32 am
I have to take this opportunity to say that the one and only thing I cannot stand about Garcia clone/replica guitars is this: now that so many people have built them and uploaded pics, you can't Google "Irwin Tiger" (for example) without getting pics of various Resurrections, Moriartys, etc. Kind of the same thing with entering "Garcia" and you get pics of Kadlecik or Warren Haynes, etc.. Polluted results are becoming more and more the norm. I have even seen informational sites talking about the guitars and reposting pics of replicas, passing them off as pics of the real thing.
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 #137343  by broesau
 Fri Mar 07, 2014 10:41 am
Fender made a Van Halen Frankenstrat clone a couple years ago for $25k. From review I read it was barely playable.
 #137344  by gr8fullfred
 Fri Mar 07, 2014 10:46 am
Ok got me there, Jerry actually did pick up a strat, it was outfitted with the midi synth controller and used during space, the reason I missed it is that I was probably in the bathroom!
 #137348  by TI4-1009
 Fri Mar 07, 2014 11:44 am
gr8fullfred wrote: the reason I missed it is that I was probably in the bathroom!
too bad- you missed some neat stuff. 8)
 #137349  by gr8fullfred
 Fri Mar 07, 2014 1:42 pm
too bad- you missed some neat stuff. 8)
That might be true, but I caught a whole bunch of the neat stuff.............................
 #137350  by jester536
 Fri Mar 07, 2014 1:47 pm
I've got to agree with gr8fullfred...It would seem strange for Fender to sanction a version of their guitar that clearly went about changing some essential elements...and pretty drastically at that. But with that said ...I would love to see what they came up with.
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