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 #130749  by brbadg
 Mon Jul 29, 2013 8:01 pm
Well I like Bob's Furthur tone.It's probably the best we've heard him since the seventies( and early eighties)
 #130752  by hippieguy1954
 Tue Jul 30, 2013 4:09 am
brbadg wrote:Well I like Bob's Furthur tone.It's probably the best we've heard him since the seventies( and early eighties)
+1
AND, you guys sound great!
 #130774  by Dozin
 Tue Jul 30, 2013 12:54 pm
Duuude! details,.. whatcha got going on for gear? Signal chain please

thank you
 #131027  by nsandi9
 Tue Aug 06, 2013 10:28 pm
Sorry for the delay:

So basically I use The Eleven Rack sometimes with a Meyer CP10 parametric eq. I also use the Electro Harmonix Bi Filter and TC electronics g major 2. I have been plugging the Bi Filter into the effects loop and the G major into the loop of the bi filter. I don't really like what I am getting there though. I'm going to try plugging guitar into filter and then into the Eleven Rack. If you guys are at all familiar with the Eleven Rack by Avid (pro tool people), it has pretty much everything built in to it that you need and I'm pretty sure the Bob's current sound is mostly caused by the Eleven Rack. Obviously state of the art PA and stage sound is a huge +. I am pretty sure Bob is going Direct but I am not. I love The Eleven Rack with Full Range sound but only got to use 1 speaker at Terrapin which is worth bringing up. It was one of Phil's Meyer 10 inch (4000 watt). This Full Range speaker along with Gibson 339 and Eleven Rack was the ultimate tone for me. I wish I could get one of those Meyer Speakers. I think they are around $6000 - $8000. Yeah right!. For now I have been using a Mackie Thump 15 in which deserves to be in the trash after using that Meyer. I also use Eminence Commonwealth 12 in, which react pretty well with the Mesa Boogie 2:100 Rectifier, which is basically RARE at this point. BTW, the flanger, chorus, phaser, comp , and Par EQ in The Eleven Rack are sick!!! I have about 20 different presets for every guitar.
Here is a vid from this past weekend where I am playing a Modulus Blackknife (same model as Pink Guitar) basically with the Vox amp setting and comp, Par EQ, mesa 2:100, and eminence commonwealth speakers. I do not have any effects going through at this point.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYGEKLhh ... ture=share
 #131028  by Dozin
 Wed Aug 07, 2013 4:09 am
Damn that sounds good. Thanks for the update.
 #131033  by mkaufman
 Wed Aug 07, 2013 7:09 am
Maybe I missed something. In the video, are you using an amp or power amp into speakers?

btw... in the TRI stream, I don't think Bob used the Eleven Rack. I think he's using a smaller box and going direct.

mk
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 #131047  by shadowboxer
 Wed Aug 07, 2013 2:24 pm
I've seen the Eleven Rack in music gear magazines but didn't really consider it before reading this thread and looking into it a little more. It sounds like a great tool to have for its versatility. I play in a practice band, and we mic the amps and drums, and feed it all into a mixer, and use in ear monitors. The Eleven Rack sounds like a really good way to keep the volume down in a practice setting while still hearing everything through the in-ear monitors. When you look on ebay, they are cheaper than I expected. I know next to nothing about ProTools, but do you need a computer and Protools to work the unit this way? Or is everything controllable from the front panel of the Eleven?
 #131341  by midnightrainband
 Fri Aug 16, 2013 5:56 pm
Hey nsandi9,

Sounds awesome, man!

Would you consider posting some of your tone, comp, flanger settings from the vox setup? I'd like to see what I can get out of a POD XT with similar models. Also, I assume it a AC30 model. Yes?

Thanks in advance.
 #139695  by SarnoMusicSolutions
 Fri Jun 06, 2014 6:17 pm
For his Furthur rig over the past 3 years or so, the heart of Bob's rig has been the Eleven Rack. But when he got going on the Eleven Rack early on he was frustrated with the overly digital quality to the sound and bugged Digi to incorporate a tube. They said they'd never deal with tubes ever. Then Bob came to me to try the Black Box. He freaked and wrote me to say that it was the missing link and was instantly a permanent part of that rack rig. Bob has bought 3 Black Boxes from me and has had one installed inside his main Furthur rack for a few years.

His signal path is this:

Guitar - wireless transmitter - wireless receiver - Lehle 3-way passive switcher (to pick each of 3 guitars) - straight to the Steel Guitar Black Box for a real vacuum tube. Then the signal hits his Eleven rack typically set to an AC30 model. Then the Avalon for a bit of compression. Then to the TC for stereo effects, delays, etc. Then DI out to the house for what "we" hear. But also a split to a tube power amp in stereo to two cabinets on stage so he can "feel" the guitar. But the sound we all hear in the mix is direct.

Bob has told me that without the Black Box, the Digi Eleven just wasn't cuttin it all the way for him. Having the tube before the Eleven makes all the difference. One of his quotes to me was "The Black Box is making my guitars explosive."

http://www.sarnomusicsolutions.com/products/sgbb.html


Brad
 #139706  by mkaufman
 Sat Jun 07, 2014 10:04 am
Brad,

Just saw rat dog last night up and close. What you've described is his larger further rack. For rat dog, he has a much smaller rack with no eleven rack. I didn't see the black box, do I don't think he's using with this rig. I'm curious about what he is using because his gone was simply amazing.

Mk
 #139711  by JDB30
 Sat Jun 07, 2014 11:53 am
mkaufman wrote:Brad,

Just saw rat dog last night up and close. What you've described is his larger further rack. For rat dog, he has a much smaller rack with no eleven rack. I didn't see the black box, do I don't think he's using with this rig. I'm curious about what he is using because his gone was simply amazing.

Mk
Brad would know better than me but it's quite possible Bob has his SGBB mounted inside his rack, especially if he's using a wireless system where the output comes out the rear of the wireless receiver.

As far as I'm concerned, the SGBB is essential. It's made a huge difference for me and I love that it's resident in my SMS Rev pre-amp.