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 #129157  by jalevinemd
 Sun Jun 16, 2013 7:49 am
Hey guys,

I've tried searching the forum for the ideal settings on a Qtron+. Have found plenty for the Micro and the Originals. Does anyone have the magic recipe for the Plus? I'd appreciate any help from some of you masters of Jerry tone.

Thanks. :-)
 #129158  by ccw3432
 Sun Jun 16, 2013 8:13 am
Here's how I set mine:

Range: LP
Response: Fast
Range: Lo
Peak: 8:00ish
Gain : 10:30ish - I adjust it a bit to match pickup strength and how open I want the envelope.
Boost: Off
Sweep: Toggle in up position
 #129164  by jalevinemd
 Sun Jun 16, 2013 10:05 am
I was afraid someone was going to say that. I just didn't want to make the investment in a Mutron for a few songs.
 #129167  by softmachine72
 Sun Jun 16, 2013 1:08 pm
you can find them for cheaper, if you find ones that are not working. i bought one for $180 and all that was wrong with it was a bad resistor in the power supply. just make sure all the parts are there. The songs that use it are the great ones Estimated , Fire, Shakedown, need I say more. He used it also for moody, spacey transitional things. It sounds kick ass with the octave divider, kind of like a Bassoon on 4 hits of Fry.
 #129168  by jalevinemd
 Sun Jun 16, 2013 1:41 pm
I can hear the unmistakable sound of the Mutron on EP and FOTM. But in so many others in the 80's it seems like there's more to the tone than just his guitar into the amp. I know that tone comes from the hands and heart but I figured there was some other "secret ingredient." Always thought it was the Mutron with a less pronounced wah effect.
 #129174  by waldo041
 Sun Jun 16, 2013 7:51 pm
softmachine72 wrote:you will never get there with out the Mutron III

Not an entirely true statement. The original qtron and a few other ones dialed in come really really close. That said, The key to any of them is to give them the strongest signal possible. The OBEL helps immensely in achieving that. It allows for the envelope to see the strongest signal pre volume control. Since the volume is after the effect, the volume control helps to control the high end transient spikes they can produce. To achieve a similar type of approach with no OBEL, a volume pedal after the envelope helps with the transients but you need to keep the guitars volume full on. Raising the pickup height also helps in both scenarios.

~waldo
 #129177  by jalevinemd
 Sun Jun 16, 2013 8:10 pm
waldo041 wrote:
softmachine72 wrote:you will never get there with out the Mutron III

Not an entirely true statement. The original qtron and a few other ones dialed in come really really close. That said, The key to any of them is to give them the strongest signal possible. The OBEL helps immensely in achieving that. It allows for the envelope to see the strongest signal pre volume control. Since the volume is after the effect, the volume control helps to control the high end transient spikes they can produce. To achieve a similar type of approach with no OBEL, a volume pedal after the envelope helps with the transients but you need to keep the guitars volume full on. Raising the pickup height also helps in both scenarios.

~waldo
Yeah...I was wondering how the OBEL would come into play with the Qtron. Unfortunately my Bolt doesn't have one. The Tiger I'm getting from Leo will. Might just have to wait a bit before I really start experimenting.
 #129185  by JustinJohn
 Sun Jun 16, 2013 11:02 pm
softmachine72 wrote:you will never get there with out the Mutron III
I find I can get there quite effectively with my q-tron. I also noticed some of the feel and response changed and grew closer to that 'Dead Set'(81) sound when I finally got my McIntosh in line... :cool:
 #129187  by softmachine72
 Sun Jun 16, 2013 11:28 pm
I guess never is a strong word. I have never heard the original Q-tron are they pricey also? My Mutron did not sing until I did the CAE kit.
 #129190  by Marleyboy
 Mon Jun 17, 2013 5:43 am
I've tried about 8 different filters including new and old q trons . The old one was closer but nothing like having a crowd of dancing people go nuts when you click on the real deal . I've had issues with my mutton from day one however .last week it was working fine then right when I really needed it it let me down ....again ! It all of a sudden wont pick up the high e string . Any advice on this Leo and company ? I bought it already modded with a tone knob , witch is kinda annoying cause it moves around all the time do I'm constantly trying to find that sweet spot. Even though it is finicky as all hell I just can't settle for anything else now that I have used the mutron .
 #129193  by mgbills
 Mon Jun 17, 2013 7:31 am
If you aren't electrically gifted, you could send it to Richard Lingenberg.

Great guy.

http://www.lsound.com/index.htm
 #129197  by Marleyboy
 Mon Jun 17, 2013 8:52 am
I had someone go through it already cause I cannot get in touch with the guy you mentioned . I wanted a power supply and emailed the guy a hundred times and called him . Worse costomer service evèr . I think I'm gonna send it to my boy Leo at scarlet >fire guitars ,
 #129200  by Smolder
 Mon Jun 17, 2013 9:19 am
I'd love to have a mutron III, but they are pricey. I've pretty much given up on the mxr auto q... still trying to beat something out of the protron... but the old yellow mxr envelope filter get's there easily. A hot pickup or a boost are a pretty essential part of the formula.