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 #119686  by oldsmojo
 Fri Oct 12, 2012 12:52 am
...Anyone?? I thought it might be cool to see what you guys came up with here.Theres no right answer of course so what do you think is similar in their tone, band, approach etc.?? Maybe narrow it down to the top 3 things where you find a connection of sorts??

Heres Larry Carlton, Greg Mathieson - Keys, John Peña - Bass, Jeff Porcaro - drums, Alex Acuña - Perc 1986.


http://tinyurl.com/9lbqh4t
 #119687  by tcsned
 Fri Oct 12, 2012 3:38 am
Nice clip! I took a freshman English class with Jeff Porcaro's nephew (also a drummer).
1. Tone similarities - bright Fender-y tone, sometimes right at the edge of feedback (I thought I saw a Bag End cabinet in his rig too
2. Some of the tension building dissonance was similar
3. Restraint - neither of them are in a hurry to play a buhzillion notes.

Bonus - both kick-ass guitarists!
 #119688  by tcsned
 Fri Oct 12, 2012 3:38 am
Nice clip! I took a freshman English class with Jeff Porcaro's nephew (also a drummer).
1. Tone similarities - bright Fender-y tone, sometimes right at the edge of feedback (I thought I saw a Bag End cabinet in his rig too
2. Some of the tension building dissonance was similar
3. Restraint - neither of them are in a hurry to play a buhzillion notes.

Bonus - both kick-ass guitarists!
 #119704  by Pete B.
 Fri Oct 12, 2012 10:11 am
Give Garcia:Compliments a spin.
Larry is on that one.
I'm pretty sure Larry Carlton is playing the intro/rhythm-lick on "He Ain't Give You None", the lick that plays throughout the tune (kind of a chord slide up, followed by a chord hammer-on/off):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6AtgR_hGQA
Last edited by Pete B. on Fri Oct 12, 2012 4:52 pm, edited 3 times in total.
 #119713  by cripeowner
 Fri Oct 12, 2012 1:03 pm
I never knew that LC played on Garcia album. Now that I listen to it I hear the influence. Look at this line up. This album must of cost a ton of dough!
Tracks:
01. Let It Rock (Chuck Berry) - 3:11
02. When The Hunter Gets Captured By The Game (William Robinson Jr.) - 2:46
03. That's What Love Will Make You Do (Henderson Thigpen, James Banks, Eddy Marion) - 3:48
04. Russian Lullaby (Irving Berlin) - 3:05
05. Turn On The Bright Lights (Albert Washington) - 5:34
06. He Ain't Give You None (Van Morrison) - 3:24
07. What Goes Around (Mac Rebbenack) - 3:07
08. Let's Spend The Night Together (Mick Jagger, Keith Richards) - 3:40
09. Mississippi Moon (Peter Rowan) - 3:05
10. Midnight Town (John Kahn, Robert Hunter) - 3:12
Bonuses (outtakes):
11. That's A Touch I Like (Jesse Winchester) - 3:37
12. (I'm A) Road Runner (Eddie Holland, Lamont Dozier, Brian Holland) - 4:07
13. It's Too Late (Chuck Willis) - 4:24
14. I'll Forget You - 3:17
15. Tragedy (Fred Burch, Gerald Nelson) - 3:49
16. Think (Jimmy McCracklin, Don Robey) - 4:09
17. I Know It's A Sin (Jimmy Reed, Mary Lee Reed) - 2:38
18. Lonesome Town (Thomas Baker Knight) - 6:16
19. Cardiac Arrest (studio jam) (Jerry Garcia) - 1:36
20. Back Home In Indiana (James Hanley, Ballard McDonald) - 7:07

Personnel:
- Jerry Garcia - guitar, classical guitar, vocals
- John Kahn - bass (01-20), horn arrangement (09), string arrangement (09), producer
- Arthur Adams - guitar (01,05,08,16,18)
- Michael Omartian - piano (01,02,05,07-19), tack piano (01), Fender rhodes (03)
- Ron Tutt - drums (01-03,05,07-20)
- Bobbye Hall - percussion (01-03,07,08)
- Larry Carlton - guitar (02,03,06,10)
- Merl Saunders - organ (02,03,05-08,10-19), clavinet (16)
- Melvin Moore - trumpet (03,05)
- Gene Connors - trombone (03,05), horn arrangement (03,05)
- Jackie Kelso - bariton saxophone (03,05), tenor saxophone (05)
- Amos Garrett - trombone (04,07)
- Joel Tepp - clarinet (04)
- Richard Greene - violin (04,08)
- Merry Clayton - backing vocals (06,10)
- Clydie King - backing vocals (06,10)
- Patty - backing vocals (06,10)
- Geoff Muldaur - clarinet (07)
- Maria Muldaur - backing vocals (08)
- Ben Benay - rhythm guitar (09)
- John Rotella - e-flat clarinet (09)
- Willie Green - b-flat clarinet (09)
- Gary Ray - b-flat clarinet (09)
- Julian Sheer - bass clarinet (09)
- Sid Page - violin (09,10)
- Carl Pedersen - violin (09,10)
- Emily van Valkenburg - violin (09,10)
- Miriam Dye - viola (09,10)
- Nancy Ellis - viola (09,10)
- Terry Adams - cello (09,10)
- Judiyaba - cello (09,10)
- Ray Siegal - stand-up bass (09,10)
- Arnie Egilsson - bass (09,10)
- Sid Sharp - contractor (09,10)
- David Nichtern - guitar (20)
- David Grisman - mandolin (20)
- Vassar Clements - violin (20)
 #119750  by Mr.Burns
 Sat Oct 13, 2012 11:35 am
There is no way a major label would have ever allowed an album like this to be made. The licensing fees alone would have been astronomical. Let alone paying all those amazing musicians. I would be astounded to find out that album broke even, but more likely it lost a lot of money.
 #119817  by oldsmojo
 Tue Oct 16, 2012 12:01 am
Thats awesome...I love the replies here and yes very true anout all of them. I also had no idea Larry played on that album thats sick!...its amazing what details you guys come up with sometimes. I was gonna say ..strat w/ gibson bridge and 24 fret necks for both in certain periods. I love Larry on a strat...The Dumble just sizzle and open up the single coil nicely and hurt a bit less than hit with the 335. They both use eq on the OD for lead tones to get that sizzle and focus just right. The both definitely utilize...subtlety , tension and release better than anyone i can think of w the guitar. They both go from real mellow tunes to real rockin..but thats pretty coommon. I just love the way they did it and two very recognizable tones both based on the BF Fender twin reverb. And yep thats probably a Bag End cab loaded w EV 12L's. Big magnet, large voice coil speaker with lots of power.