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 #115741  by cmc64
 Sat Jul 07, 2012 5:02 am
Now to bore you all with yet another ramble..... :smile:

I've done my homework - absorbed an immense amount of info from this site (and thanks to everyone who has chimed in along the way - you guys are great!!) and I just about have the $$ needed to mod my Strat. My amp has come quite a ways (and while it will be replaced at some point with either a Mesa Mark x head -> 2x12 E-120 cab or an SMS -> McIntosh -> E-120 cab) at this point in the process I want to fix up the axe. So I think I know what I am going to do but if anyone has any suggestions or clarifications I am all ears.

2005 Fender Lite-Ash Strat to start. I have a few but that one is by far my favorite so it's headed to the O.R. The tone range I am chasing is Fall 1977 -> Spring 1980. Now I realize that covers some ground but I think I have come up with a solution that will get me more or less in that range and keep me happy. I am going to follow the basic Wolf wiring setup but along with the OBEL and the Alembic Blaster I am going to add in Wald's UGB with a toggle switch so I can use one, the other or go passive if so desired (I spoke with a guitar builder who floats around here and he has done this so it should not be an issue). Put in a gain pot for the Blaster for easier adjustment on-the-fly and that's that.

Finally, the pickups. DiMarzio, of course, starting with the SDS-1 in the neck position. But the humbuckers for the middle and bridge - I am stuck on this one. Dual Sounds or Super 2's? I know JG switched from one to the other in '81 or '82 and I was under the impression that DiMarzio replaced the Dual Sounds with the Super 2 (but could easily be wrong) but since they seem to have them available.... So I am hung up on that one.

I know this has been covered but just so I don't have to hunt through pages and pages (I know, lazy, lazy....) when I put in my coil-tap switches do I want the north or south pickup in each humbucker to be hot? I just don't remember.

Thanks for listening/reading and have at it boys. :thumbs up:
 #115742  by Scarlet
 Sat Jul 07, 2012 5:24 am
Hi

The Dual Sound and Super 2 are two different pickups with different dc resistance, tonal qualities etc (Super 2 is brighter).
Maybe you are getting confused between Super Distortion & Dual Sound: A Dual Sound is the same pickup as a Super Distortion, but with the option to coil tap it.
For the coil taps I believe you want the active coil to be the one nearest the neck of the guitar on each pickup.
Good luck with your mods :)
 #115744  by cmc64
 Sat Jul 07, 2012 6:57 am
Scarlet wrote:Hi

The Dual Sound and Super 2 are two different pickups with different dc resistance, tonal qualities etc (Super 2 is brighter).
Maybe you are getting confused between Super Distortion & Dual Sound: A Dual Sound is the same pickup as a Super Distortion, but with the option to coil tap it.
For the coil taps I believe you want the active coil to be the one nearest the neck of the guitar on each pickup.
Good luck with your mods :)
Aha! That's what I was missing. I knew there was something but I couldn't quite place it. Thanks so much!!
 #115751  by cmc64
 Sat Jul 07, 2012 10:29 am
Coldshotblues wrote:Let us know how it comes out! I just did the same with all the info I absorbed from everybody here as well. I went for the alligator sound with my build and it came out great I love it! :smile:
I'll bet it sounds fantastic! Did you set it up with the Blaster/UGB/passive option or just go with one of the two? And which pickups did you use? Thanks!!!
 #115812  by tigerstrat
 Mon Jul 09, 2012 10:26 am
fwiw, "Super Distortions" are 4-wire splittable pups, the exact same pup as "Dual Sounds", but iirc, the latter is sold with a mini-toggle.
 #115817  by jeffm725
 Mon Jul 09, 2012 11:35 am
tigerstrat wrote:fwiw, "Super Distortions" are 4-wire splittable pups, the exact same pup as "Dual Sounds", but iirc, the latter is sold with a mini-toggle.

You are right, and them throwing a toggle in is really the ONLY distinction these days. The confusion comes because originally the first Super Distortions were 2 Conductor pickups. They came out with Dual sounds as a 4 wire version of the SD. Then they decided to pretty much offer all their Humbuckers as 4 wire including the original SD.So the current SD's and Dual sounds are redundant. as I understand it
 #115825  by cmc64
 Mon Jul 09, 2012 3:21 pm
jeffm725 wrote:
tigerstrat wrote:fwiw, "Super Distortions" are 4-wire splittable pups, the exact same pup as "Dual Sounds", but iirc, the latter is sold with a mini-toggle.

You are right, and them throwing a toggle in is really the ONLY distinction these days. The confusion comes because originally the first Super Distortions were 2 Conductor pickups. They came out with Dual sounds as a 4 wire version of the SD. Then they decided to pretty much offer all their Humbuckers as 4 wire including the original SD.So the current SD's and Dual sounds are redundant. as I understand it
Well, in that case, as I seem to be after the tonal range of Fall 1977 -> Spring 1980 which were Dual Sounds (but I do want the coil tap option) - should I go with the 4-wire Dual Sound (or SD's) instead of the Super 2's?
 #115827  by Smolder
 Mon Jul 09, 2012 4:06 pm
cmc64 wrote:
jeffm725 wrote:
tigerstrat wrote:fwiw, "Super Distortions" are 4-wire splittable pups, the exact same pup as "Dual Sounds", but iirc, the latter is sold with a mini-toggle.

You are right, and them throwing a toggle in is really the ONLY distinction these days. The confusion comes because originally the first Super Distortions were 2 Conductor pickups. They came out with Dual sounds as a 4 wire version of the SD. Then they decided to pretty much offer all their Humbuckers as 4 wire including the original SD.So the current SD's and Dual sounds are redundant. as I understand it
Well, in that case, as I seem to be after the tonal range of Fall 1977 -> Spring 1980 which were Dual Sounds (but I do want the coil tap option) - should I go with the 4-wire Dual Sound (or SD's) instead of the Super 2's?
they are BOTH four wire unless you buy older pickups.
 #115844  by jeffm725
 Tue Jul 10, 2012 6:01 am
short answer, if you want 77-80 and want to use dimarzios....get the Dual sounds, unless you find that 4 conductor SD's are much less expensive than the dual sounds (which isnt the case at retail level), just get the dual sounds.