Is the vintage 30 Alnico? I had a Celeston (ceramic I think) in my Deluxe when I first got it, it was the Fender upgraded speaker in the limited Edition HRD3's. It worked GREAT for regular amp tones at home, like blues and rhythm guitar chord voicing. I thought I really liked it a lot (at home). It sounded pretty close to my JBL speakers at low volume, but I know how misleading that can be. It did lack the high end clarity and would throw bass or loose low end into the mix, even with the bass cut off the amp (compared to JBL's).gpilcher2001 wrote:+ 1 on the the all tube preamp with cap mods! I would like to throw it out there how about a celestion vintage 30 in place of d-k-e120. I was messing around with an e and a k120 this weekend comparing it to a vintage 30. The vintage 30 has tighter bass and lower watts. It was easier to push the speaker also. The e 120 is really kindof thin sounding when you cant get the watts to it. The k works much like the vintage 30. Maybe alittle brighter. Of course the tightness could come from newer speaker. Vintage 30's are 150 new vs. 250 and up for an old jbl speaker. Kinda defeats the on a budget requirement. Anyways imho there different but close enough to get that tone. Greg...
I gigged with it sitting in with a friends band, and it worked fine with clean and OD tones. When I cut on my envelope filter it almost shot out of the amp like a bullet. It farted so bad I thought I blew it. Nothing could tame it.
The Vintage 30 may be a different animal. I guess it all depends on what you are doing with your rig, playing in a pro band, jamming with buds, playing in a bedroom, style of music, etc... I have come full circle with the Commonwealths. They sound great and respond like a JBL at these high volumes. I think they are $134-150 new and are 225 watts v's 300 (more like a K's wattage). When I threw a commonwealth into the amp, it sounded awesome. They way us Jerry heads like it. Now I have a K120 in it and it sounds remarkably similar to the commonwealth, a little brighter for the better, but hair splitting.
I think the old cones in these 30 year old speakers have us misunderstanding the actual tone of what a new JBL K/E120 sounded like for Jerry in the 70's-80's. The new cone paper has a better response across the board, I think. Especially in the "tight low mids/bass area" and the highs too. It seems the "old" paper cone has a brighter response across the board. I am not a scientist tho. Maybe that is why we hear such difference between vintage original speakers and new clones and think that's why the new clones "don't sound exactly like them". I came full circle when I reconed an E120 with an actual E120 kit and noticed its rebirth of tone tightness across all frequencies. It sounded closer to the Commonwealth after the recone than the 30 yr old cone. Although, there are small differences in everything on Earth!!! Cool stuff.Of course the tightness could come from newer speaker