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 #78228  by jester536
 Mon Apr 19, 2010 6:59 pm
I'm committed to learning something about playing leads. I tend to grab a pentatonic scale and just flail away. I'm wondering if I can get some help. Let's take Althea. If I play an E minor bluesy thing (I'm not even sure that's right) I think it sounds OK but it doesn't nail it. Throwing notes in from the Bmin sounds good but at the wrong time it's awful. Any thoughts..I just don't know how to build a lead...how do you increase that tension...what creates that release. Nothing is too basic here.
 #78269  by JonnyBoy
 Tue Apr 20, 2010 10:03 am
Mixolydian scales are a great introduction to Jerry's approach. He does what he feels, but a lot can be explained with this scale approach. Here is a good teacher that explains the concept.

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 #78271  by Tennessee Jedi
 Tue Apr 20, 2010 10:23 am
my strategy on this one is to play the solo out of chord shapes.
Learn the chords up and down the neck.
Many times the right ones can found close to each other.
Chromatic notes are worth exploring; notes that arent in the ' scale' but still work. Think the intro of Althea ....
Find U tube vid and hope there is good shots of Jerrys hands ...
Hope this helps.
:smile:
 #78272  by strumminsix
 Tue Apr 20, 2010 10:31 am
Use a full B minor scale. Use the notes out of that to compilment the chord changes. They are all there.
 #78367  by mijknahs
 Wed Apr 21, 2010 9:17 am
I play according to the chords. I think Jerry approaches it this way too. Kinda like soloing to Crazy Fingers but just 3 chords. When it comes back to the E, I usually go for some E blues stuff.
 #115037  by Jimaroe
 Sat Jun 16, 2012 10:06 am
Anybody interested in learning to finger pick Althea ought to check out Seth Fleishman at GratefulGuitarLessons.Com. I picked up his finger picking Jerry Althea lesson 3 days ago, and can't stop messing with it. No affiliation with Seth or his website, I just previously harbored an unwillingness to even try finger picking until I bought his lesson, it really is fantastic.
 #115039  by mijknahs
 Sat Jun 16, 2012 10:32 am
I'm pretty much always thinking about the chords during the solo:

 #115119  by Tennessee Jedi
 Tue Jun 19, 2012 1:26 pm
mijknahs wrote:I'm pretty much always thinking about the chords during the solo:

Hey man - did you review that guitar somewhere and I missed it ?
Great vid , too !
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 #115120  by gr8fullfred
 Tue Jun 19, 2012 1:49 pm
E mixo pretty much nails it. Remember its Jerry, therefore, think Mixolydian mode.
 #115122  by mijknahs
 Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:13 pm
Tennessee Jedi wrote:Hey man - did you review that guitar somewhere and I missed it ?
No, I did not do a review. I did enjoy playing the guitar although the action was a bit low for me and the strings were 9s (I use 10s). It was very light weight (unlike Jerry's guitar and my Tiger copy). It got a pretty decent sound (as you can hear in the vid) even though there was no buffer or any active electrioncs or Super IIs. I'd say it was pretty harmonically "rich" sounding. I would definitley use that guitar as a backup instead of modifiying a Strat or some other stock guitar. Now if they could make the body out of a thick slab of rRosewood (same family as cocobolo), that would be sweet with a maple neck. All I would do is add a buffer and OBEL (neither were installed on the guitar I played).
 #115145  by vwjodyme
 Wed Jun 20, 2012 7:09 am
Jim,
I thought you did give a review when we were talking about those guitars, but maybe you just said you got to try one out.

Anyway, great playing as always! very helpful info too!

PS. is that your youtube channel? I am subscribed to your jgb one, but not this one.
 #115171  by mijknahs
 Thu Jun 21, 2012 12:18 am
vwjodyme wrote:Jim,
I thought you did give a review when we were talking about those guitars, but maybe you just said you got to try one out.

Anyway, great playing as always! very helpful info too!

PS. is that your youtube channel? I am subscribed to your jgb one, but not this one.
I really don't remember about the review. Maybe I did a very short one. No, that isn't my youtube channel. My youtube channel is "mijknahs". This one is Fred's from Phred Instruments.

Jim
 #115212  by keirweir
 Fri Jun 22, 2012 8:04 am
mijknahs wrote:
vwjodyme wrote:Jim,
I thought you did give a review when we were talking about those guitars, but maybe you just said you got to try one out.

Anyway, great playing as always! very helpful info too!

PS. is that your youtube channel? I am subscribed to your jgb one, but not this one.
I really don't remember about the review. Maybe I did a very short one. No, that isn't my youtube channel. My youtube channel is "mijknahs". This one is Fred's from Phred Instruments.

Jim

If I had $450 I would buy that Phred Tiger right now.