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 #114928  by Pete B.
 Wed Jun 13, 2012 7:58 am
tigerstrat wrote:Doobie Brothers? OK, I'll bite: which DB's song influenced this?
He's probably thinking It sounds ALOT like a Michael McDonald era Doobies Bros tune.
... presumably because Brent and MM have a similar/same vocal timbre...
Which leads me to think... Hmmm... If say, Rod Stuart, or Michael McDonald would have realeased it, it may have been a huge hit for them.
pb
 #114955  by Capt Rosebuddy
 Thu Jun 14, 2012 6:14 am
I'm a little surprised that I have to defend my point that the studio Far From Me sounds like the Doobie's. I guess I should clarify, FFM while not reminiscent of any particular Doobie Brothers song, for sure grabs the esthetic that was invouge in the post disco world. Lemmie take that back, it kind of reminds me of "What a fool Believes" on Minute by Minute. And of coures Midland is doing and full on McDonnald impersonation, not just a tip of the hat, but a full blown impersonation.

Here's my point the Garcia tone on the track in question, is just the guitar with the Phase 100 and distortion +, no special sause on the rig (my best guess anyway). The discrepancy in the studio version to the live ones is the production tricks that where popular at the time, ie lots of compression. Rack mount studio compressors are what give all of those tracks that squishy soft focus kind of sound. It's all over other songs on GTH, listen to Don't Ease Me In, the piano, vocal even the mutron sounds very soft and compressed, the only thing really wide open in that mix is the B3.
 #114957  by strumminsix
 Thu Jun 14, 2012 8:20 am
Capt Rosebuddy wrote:I'm a little surprised that I have to defend my point that the studio Far From Me sounds like the Doobie's. I guess I should clarify, FFM while not reminiscent of any particular Doobie Brothers song, for sure grabs the esthetic that was invouge in the post disco world. Lemmie take that back, it kind of reminds me of "What a fool Believes" on Minute by Minute. And of coures Midland is doing and full on McDonnald impersonation, not just a tip of the hat, but a full blown impersonation.

Here's my point the Garcia tone on the track in question, is just the guitar with the Phase 100 and distortion +, no special sause on the rig (my best guess anyway). The discrepancy in the studio version to the live ones is the production tricks that where popular at the time, ie lots of compression. Rack mount studio compressors are what give all of those tracks that squishy soft focus kind of sound. It's all over other songs on GTH, listen to Don't Ease Me In, the piano, vocal even the mutron sounds very soft and compressed, the only thing really wide open in that mix is the B3.
DB's did have a compressed and well separated sounded. And so did alot of the Go To heaven.
 #114988  by tigerstrat
 Thu Jun 14, 2012 2:33 pm
Capt Rosebuddy wrote:And of coures Midland is doing and full on McDonnald impersonation, not just a tip of the hat, but a full blown impersonation.
That whole Michael McDonald comparison has always stuck in my craw just a little bit, but I have never heard anyone accuse Brent of doing an impression of him. Have you ever heard Brent's singing on Silver, the band's eponymous (and only) album? He was mostly backup vocals and only sings lead on a couple of tracks, but it was being recorded in 1975 at about the exact time as McDonald joined the Doobies, which was his first lead vocal gig (after singing backup in Steely Dan). Both singers' debut lead vocal recordings came out the same year, 1976. I would hesitate to call Brent's natural singing style an impression simply because the other guy became better-known in the mainstream.

 #115031  by cmc64
 Fri Jun 15, 2012 10:29 pm
Wow, look at that beard on Brent on the Silver cover. He looks so happy. Man, I miss that guy. Losing him was the worst thing that could have happened to the GD at that time. I firmly believe JG would have stuck around a bit longer if Brent hadn't passed. Sorry to get off topic. That was really hard for me and I miss him to this day.

Back on topic - I plugged in earlier and fired up the Mutron Phasor II and MXR D+ and whoa - that's it. My current amp does not have JBL's in it (but they are coming in a few days - WooHoo!!) and my EMG DG-20 Actives do not quite nail the tone I'm chasing but nonetheless - with those two effects I got really close to the tone in question.