zambiland wrote: strumminsix wrote: jeffm725 wrote:
Otherwise we are a sound guy nightmare when we each bring our own mics.with a Senn 835, a senn 945, a EV N/D 767 and a Shure Beta 58 across the frontline. Ive seen more than one sound guy pull his hair out trying to get a good montior mix with us all being different.
Interesting about the boost strummin', I guess that could be a factor
I've read that a few times. But never understood it. As people have different tones I can't see how the same mic could be a benefit. Unless the room has a resonant frequency prone to feedback OR if it as overly tuned (eq'd room) OR if the person has a mic that doesn't work well for them. But in my experience if the singer has a mic best suited for their voice than running sound is a breeze.
I think you are underestimating the effect of the PA as a resonant system and with different vocal mics all going through the monitors, often the monitors are being eq'ed for the resonance of the mic/room combination, not for the aesthetic qualities of the vocalist/mic combination. If everyone only wanted themselves in their own wedges, it's not a problem, but as soon as you put the vocals across all the wedges, it gets pretty hairy pretty fast if everyone is using a different kind of mic. Especially if the band plays loud and wants to get the vocals up there with the rest of the instruments.
YMMV, and all that.
I did reference most of what you said. Yes, some mic's work better than others in rooms and yes some rooms are EQ'd and optimized (resonate freq, buzzy, feedback, etc) But I disagree with the practice of EQ'ing a whole room to a set of vocal mics. If done, that's horrible. With different timbers in voices, ranges, proximities, etc that's a recipe for disaster. You'd start with sweeping EQ's of the room, then drastic EQ's per channel. Can't see it sounding anything but over-processed.
In my experience, admittedly less than yours, both on stage and behind soundboards I find the keys to clarity are: more powerful mains and monitors than the room needs, mains up aimed in then up higher and pointed inward, neutral sounding mains and monitors, monitors up and facing the singers so they need less volume then a generic wash, proper mics and placement (cardiod w/mons behind, hyp/sup w/mons to side), and the best mic for the singer so I need to do the least amount of EQ by cutting until a slight boost is needed. Similarly, YMMV et cetera