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 #106622  by Tony6Strings
 Fri Dec 16, 2011 3:50 am
Never played through one of those. However, I know firsthand that the ElectroHarmonics Qtron is a really close match. Cool envelope filters, these are. From what I understand it's basically a reproduction of the Mutron.
 #106644  by FretfulDave
 Fri Dec 16, 2011 10:14 am
Been thinking about this pedal but had forgotten the name of it. I am also interested in adding to the effect mix in my rig. However, I just went to the web site and it says "Out of Stock - check with my dealers". Not many dealers. Anyone know what is up? Is it still sold? Or just passing piece of gear? I will probably check with the NJ dealer but curious as to any info others might have about the viability of the pedal.

Thanks,

Dave
 #106666  by Tony6Strings
 Fri Dec 16, 2011 3:57 pm
Hey, speaking of envelope filters... On the Bob Marley & Wailers song "Stir It Up" do they use a Mutron or some other envelope filter on the guitar solo, or are they using an actual wah pedal?
 #106680  by waldo041
 Fri Dec 16, 2011 7:11 pm
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This is the version Mike Biegel helped design. it is the closest to the original Mutron III circuit. the input preamp and power section are the difference between it and the original. in my talks with Mr. Biegel he stated the input was altered to accomodate more variety of instruments. and obviously the power supply was altered to be more user friendly. but the actual envelope portion of the circuit is pretty spot on to the original mu3 minus some component material swaps. getting a good one of these can do both the shakedown and dancin in the street tones very well.

peace,
waldo
 #106696  by hippieguy1954
 Sat Dec 17, 2011 6:11 am
FretfulDave wrote:Been thinking about this pedal but had forgotten the name of it. I am also interested in adding to the effect mix in my rig. However, I just went to the web site and it says "Out of Stock - check with my dealers". Not many dealers. Anyone know what is up? Is it still sold? Or just passing piece of gear? I will probably check with the NJ dealer but curious as to any info others might have about the viability of the pedal.

Thanks,

Dave
The guy at 3leaf audio (I can't remember his name) is a really nice guy, so just email him (from the web site) and he will get back to you. It's just him making them, so he is probably back ordered a little.
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 #106703  by Tennessee Jedi
 Sat Dec 17, 2011 8:28 am
waldo041 wrote:Image


This is the version Mike Biegel helped design. it is the closest to the original Mutron III circuit. the input preamp and power section are the difference between it and the original. in my talks with Mr. Biegel he stated the input was altered to accomodate more variety of instruments. and obviously the power supply was altered to be more user friendly. but the actual envelope portion of the circuit is pretty spot on to the original mu3 minus some component material swaps. getting a good one of these can do both the shakedown and dancin in the street tones very well.

peace,
waldo
Hey Waldo
What about the Micro/Mini versions of the Q ?
Same ? Similar ? Mr Beigel offer a opinion ?
I like mine pretty nice but it gets picky sometimes.
Prob just gonna upgrade to the big unit eventually or hopefully find a Mutron to call my own
Thanks
:smile:
 #106723  by zambiland
 Sat Dec 17, 2011 12:18 pm
The Proton is a much newer box than the Electro-Harmonix designs. While it's cool and all that Mike got involved with E-H, that doesn't really mean anything in terms of the Proton. Of course he's going to say that the Q-tron is the best, but times have changed. A lot of technology has hit the street since the Q-tron came out. I have Spencer's Groove Regulator 2, and it's a great pedal. I gather it's based on the Lovetone Meatball, but I haven't used one of those. Having attack and release options is very cool.

I think it's really worth it to check out these things for yourself. I'm not saying the Proton is going to be the best, but things like envelope filters are so dependent on the rest of the system that relying on the word of people who have an interest in the product, or anyone at all, including me, might result in missing something that would work better in a particular rig.

The one that I have that I like the best purely for sound is a Univox Funky Filter that was a reverse engineer from the original Mutron III that was licensed. However, it's got the same gain staging issues that the Mutron has, so the Groove Regulator gets more use. OTOH, the E-H BassBalls is pretty amazing, especially on fretless bass. It does an awesome gurgly slower filter sound.

Of course, I should also say that I have nothing but respect for Mike Beigel's work. He's one of the great ones.
 #108534  by BJolley
 Sun Jan 29, 2012 5:43 pm
I have had the Micro Qtron for about a month and love it. To my ear it sounds very Jerry -- even running through an basic Fender Frontman 15R practice amp. The micro version is very adjustable tone-wise and I'm not sure what more I might need from the full version (though the sweep direction switch might be nice to get that Dancin' "haw" effect). Admittedly, the only other envelope filter I had used was a very unsatisfactory auto-wah function on a 15 year old Zoom multi-effects pedal, but I think this thing is a steal at ~$90.