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 #104803  by Emoto
 Fri Oct 28, 2011 1:32 pm
vwjodyme wrote:Maybe I haven't listened to the studio versions in a while, but some of those examples sounded weird.

Cool info on the guitars at the end.
They sounded like someone who can sightread, but doesn't "get" the music.
 #104878  by jeffm725
 Tue Nov 01, 2011 1:42 pm
Forget the phrasing, I can't believe no one has mentioned that Uncle John's is notated in A!!! That is a major pet peeve of mine.
 #104879  by Emoto
 Tue Nov 01, 2011 1:48 pm
jeffm725 wrote:Forget the phrasing, I can't believe no one has mentioned that Uncle John's is notated in A!!! That is a major pet peeve of mine.
I bought a Garcia music book in the 1970s (smallish format, brown paper, handprint on the cover) and Sugaree was in C! So, I learned it that way. :? Still screws me up sometimes when I go to take a solo. :lol:
 #104882  by hogan
 Tue Nov 01, 2011 4:47 pm
jeffm725 wrote:Forget the phrasing, I can't believe no one has mentioned that Uncle John's is notated in A!!! That is a major pet peeve of mine.
Amen. Brown-eyed Women in Dm/F. Ugh. He's gone in F. Just shows folks aren't paying attention.
 #104890  by Tennessee Jedi
 Wed Nov 02, 2011 7:02 am
I too despise transcriptions in the wrong key .....
:D
Maybe the Sugaree on GARCIA was in C , originally ?
They have changed keys before ....
Birdsong from the same album ..... from D to E ....
When I saw the U.J.B I thought " maybe the original key or something ? " ...
Things to ponder while stoned I guess
:?:
 #104891  by Emoto
 Wed Nov 02, 2011 7:05 am
Tennessee Jedi wrote:I too despise transcriptions in the wrong key .....
:D
Maybe the Sugaree on GARCIA was in C , originally ?
They have changed keys before ....
Birdsong from the same album ..... from D to E ....
When I saw the U.J.B I thought " maybe the original key or something ? " ...
Things to ponder while stoned I guess
:?:
Oh yes! Bird Song was in D and I learned it that way. Causes the same problems for me now. :lol:
 #104899  by jeffm725
 Wed Nov 02, 2011 9:12 am
Absolutely there have been tunes where the "boyz" have changed keys after the song "melded" for a few years....
Bird Song, absolutely early ones were in D. Very different feel to those and cool in it's own way. I much prefer the E version though. I could be wrong, but wasn't every Birdsong pre '75 hiatus in D? Then it never came back until the Fall '80 acoustic shows which was when the "E" started.
I just preferred the airy, spacy trip the E versions got to, more than the angular, sharp D versions. The D versions heavily leaned on the Dominant 7. The later E versions had a much jazzier, modal theme.

Brokedown Palace is another one that got the key change post hiatus. Brokedown is an example of a tune where I LOVE both versions. (Usually I have a notable, strong preference on songs that have been "changed" one way or another)..... Both versions were so cool. The 80's version were so moving and Jerry's solo rarely failed to disappoint. The key change and structure gave it such a nice spiritual setting. But the early 70's versions with the "Do Do Do's" at the end carried its own ultra cool vibe!

My thing with key changes (and really specifically with Dead tunes) is that tunes are written in certain keys for a reason. Different Keys just carry a different vibe to them.
Would Scarlet be Scarlet without the "B"?! It is such a bright, Caribbean lilt, and the Key gives it that feeling, it just doesnt sound right in other keys to me.

How could China Doll start on anything but D min?! (the saddest of all Keys, Thanks to Nigel Tufnel).

I loved the openness and exploration of the early 2000 Phil and Friends lineups, but man did some of those transpositions drive me NUTS.
 #104904  by jeffm725
 Wed Nov 02, 2011 11:19 am
Tennessee Jedi wrote:Dont forget Dire Wolf
:-)
Oooh yeah, that was a real jump up! There is one where I DEFINITELY preferred the later versions to the early ones.