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 #102489  by jeffm725
 Tue Aug 23, 2011 11:26 am
strumminsix wrote:Thanks, Jommy! I've got a lead on a dude who owns 2 who will lend me one for a few days, maybe :)

Now to try and remember what the GD used in the late 80s/90s as they look very similar :) anyone know?

Milab's ?
 #103776  by JonnyBoy
 Sat Sep 24, 2011 12:06 pm
Aw hell, back to the mic purchasing again. I saw this bad boy and wondering what the group is thinking about it. I have the MD 735 which looks similar, but has aged due to spit and breakdown. It also has a Milabs look!

 #103786  by zambiland
 Sun Sep 25, 2011 1:18 pm
I just added two really nice mics to my collection:

Beesneez James Producer Series and
Beesneez Judas ribbon mic.

I haven't had a chance to use the Judas yet, but the James sounds amazing. I found out about Ben Sneesby and his amazing hand built mics when looking for some KM84 style overheads (his LuLu FETs).

Aside from that:
Beyer M88
Audix D series drum mics (sold the D6, hated it)
Telefunken M80s x5 for vocals
Mercenary Audio KM69 pair (neck and neck with the LuLu FETs) Both of these mics are also killer acoustic guitar mics.
AKG 414 XLS pair
Groove Tubes GT57 pair
Modified Oktava MK012 pair
Sennheiser 609 pair (which I don't like very much, but are convenient at times)
Rode NT5 pair with multiple capsules (the omnis rock, cardioid, not so much.)

plus some random others which escape me right now. Why so many mics? For my location recording business. It's fun, I've had weeks where I've gone directly from recording string quartets to hip hop.
 #104291  by zambiland
 Wed Oct 12, 2011 5:17 pm
JonnyBoy wrote:It looks like lots of pro's have switched or are using the Telefunken M-80 this year, including Further. Would love to hear from Zambiland about his point of view on it as compared to other dynamics.
Sorry to take so long. Gigs plus law school equals very little spare time!

I love these things! My two perspectives are as a performer on stage (although singing is not my strong suit) and as a location recording engineer. My favorite aspect to these mics is that they don't require a lot of effort to make them sound good and the bleed is well controlled and what bleed does make it through, sounds good. It's a regular cardioid, so you can put a monitor right behind it. For a cardioid mic, it's got great rejection.

One of the biggest chores of a sound person is dealing with mic bleed. We all know about Healy's supermarket door opener trick and the truth is that if you could get rid of the vocal mics, the instruments would sound amazing. In small clubs, 90% of the cymbals you hear and a lot of the instruments will be bleed. If the mic requires a lot of eq and/or compression to sound good, that means you are also affecting the bleed. So, if the bleed can be minimized and made to sound good off the bat, then your mix will be much cleaner. For live recordings with these mics, the bleed can actually improve the sound of the recording, giving a more live sense of the stage. Can't say the same thing about a 58!

As far as the basic tone goes, it's a pretty versatile, clear dynamic mic. It's not overly crisp in the way some mics are, so the highs aren't hyped and sizzly. It's not as amazing sounding as a Neumann 105 on a select few vocalists, but it doesn't cost near as much, it works in sketchier environments with respect to feedback, it's more robust and it works well on a wider variety of vocalists.

So, it may not be the best mic possible for some vocalists, but it will never be less than damn good. You can't say the same for a lot of other mics, which brings up another issue: if you have a bunch of singers who all sound different, it's tempting to put different mics on them. Some might sound good with a Sennheiser, some with a Shure and some with a Beyer. However, they will all sound great with the Telefunken and then the leakage matches and the monitor and FOH eqs match, so you don't have to fight to get everyone to sound like they are all in the same band.

When you add this all up with the reasonable price, it seems like a no brainer to me.