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 #115958  by mttourpro
 Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:32 pm
That spot has always been up for debate in every band I've played in.

I'm guessing the GD likely played it more than one way over the years too.

FWIW we settled on this

F.....................................F(,2)...C(,2)...Am(,2,1,2)....Em(,2,1,2)....G.
"Made anymore, I might move a-way.....ay........ay..............ay"

fwiw, I don't hear a C7.

Just like Pete B wrote.
 #115972  by tcsned
 Thu Jul 12, 2012 7:23 am
mttourpro wrote:That spot has always been up for debate in every band I've played in.

I'm guessing the GD likely played it more than one way over the years too.

FWIW we settled on this

F.....................................F(,2)...C(,2)...Am(,2,1,2)....Em(,2,1,2)....G.
"Made anymore, I might move a-way.....ay........ay..............ay"

fwiw, I don't hear a C7.

Just like Pete B wrote.
Agreed no C7. This part is kind of moving away from a bluesy feel to a more straight G major feel and the Bb in the C7 chord doesn't really work.
 #115983  by strumminsix
 Thu Jul 12, 2012 9:09 am
I agree that when playing my guitar that is what sounds right. But did anyone watch and listen and play against the video I posted?

It changed my mind.
 #116003  by Pete B.
 Thu Jul 12, 2012 2:43 pm
strumminsix wrote:I agree that when playing my guitar that is what sounds right. But did anyone watch and listen and play against the video I posted?

It changed my mind.
I don't see or hear a C7 in that vid.
Check out what J Darks shows starting approx 7:30 (he's a little sloppy timing wise, and it looks like he plays an Am7 instead of an Am... F,C,Am7,Em...G):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfAPxSY2T-A
 #116009  by strumminsix
 Thu Jul 12, 2012 6:04 pm
Pete B. wrote:
strumminsix wrote:I agree that when playing my guitar that is what sounds right. But did anyone watch and listen and play against the video I posted?

It changed my mind.
I don't see or hear a C7 in that vid.
Check out what J Darks shows starting approx 7:30 (he's a little sloppy timing wise, and it looks like he plays an Am7 instead of an Am... F,C,Am7,Em...G):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfAPxSY2T-A
Right, I don't hear the C7. But I hear and see Jerry doing differently that what most here are hearing and saying it is....
strumminsix wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOYSWv2tAMc 4:45
Grateful Dead - Cumberland Blues - June 27 1984

Moves look like and sounds like: F / | C / | Em / | C /
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G----2-2---0-0---0-0---0-0---0------
D----3-3---2-2---2-2---2-2---0------
A----3-3---3-3---2-2---3-3---2------
E----------------------------3------
 #120748  by ebick
 Fri Nov 09, 2012 10:38 am
Pete B. wrote: Here's what RUKIND has, for this specific line:
F..........................................C....Am7....C7....Em
Made anymore, I might move away.

I've always played:
F.......................................F(2 beats)....C(2 beats)....Am(4 beats)....Em (3 beats, then walk up to G during beat 4)
Made anymore, I might move aw----Ay-1...........Ay-2.............Ay-3.........Ay-4

What's up with that C7???
C....Am7....C7....Em
I was just revisiting this after many years and I had seen this conversation. Just to address the original question, that came right out of the published work for the Workingman's/American Beauty songbook. I am not saying I agree with it at this point....I too have a difficult time hearing a C7 there......just answering the "What's up with that" question.

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 #120751  by FretfulDave
 Fri Nov 09, 2012 11:43 am
ebick wrote:
I was just revisiting this after many years and I had seen this conversation. Just to address the original question, that came right out of the published work for the Workingman's/American Beauty songbook. I am not saying I agree with it at this point....I too have a difficult time hearing a C7 there......just answering the "What's up with that" question.

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A great book and a great service provided by Ed with the transcriptions. I've used the online tabs for years and I know we all appreciate your efforts.

Thanks so much Ed.

Dave
 #126143  by rydead
 Thu Mar 28, 2013 8:49 am
Hey guys,

Are they actually skipping a beat in there somewhere?
i.e. " ... 2/4 - 1/4 - 2/4 ... " somewhere in the "ay-ayy-ayyy" part

Also, in the "That's where I mainly spend my tii-ii-iimme" part, I'm almost certain they're skipping a beat.

Are my ears playing tricks?
 #126257  by rugger
 Fri Mar 29, 2013 4:49 pm
rydead wrote:Hey guys,

Are they actually skipping a beat in there somewhere?
i.e. " ... 2/4 - 1/4 - 2/4 ... " somewhere in the "ay-ayy-ayyy" part

Also, in the "That's where I mainly spend my tii-ii-iimme" part, I'm almost certain they're skipping a beat.

Are my ears playing tricks?
According to the songbook Ed referenced above, those phrases end on a half bar of 2/4. Basically 2 quarter notes.

John in San Diego
 #126262  by Lephty
 Fri Mar 29, 2013 7:00 pm
I have been using this chord chart (see attached jpg) with a bunch of different players for a long time and it seems to be pretty accurate. It's not the slickest-looking chart you've ever seen but it's clean and reasonably easy to read. The whole chart is in 2/4, so two beats per measure, but there are a couple spots (the spots in question in this thread) where there's a bar of 3/4, so just stick in one extra beat at those points.

Leave it to the Dead to take what is basically a 3-chord country song and make it a total pain in the ass to play.

See what y'all think, lemme know if there are disagreements (though granted it's tough to find two Dead versions that are in "agreement!").

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