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 #86154  by modz
 Thu Sep 02, 2010 5:35 pm
tigerstrat wrote:
modz wrote:P.S. also don't point it at your vocal microphone.
More importantly, don't point your vocal mic at your guitar speaker. Difficult to not point the cab at your mic when that's also where your ears are going to be.

Cool wedge cab!
I generally stand 2 feet back from my mic unless singing. At the last show the sound man had me point the back of my mic straight at the monitor and the element is pointing up at almost a 45 degree angle. It looks strange but I was really able to get my vocals loud in the monitors and less instruments bleed too. I love finding new gems of information:) I know about axis etc but there are so many things to think about while playing like, don't fall down.
Thanks.
T
 #86159  by bcresci
 Thu Sep 02, 2010 6:41 pm
I actually use the ampwedge and have been happy with it. To get the right amount of tilt, I shove it way down under the amp. Using a 2x12 vertical cab. The ampwedge is tough and light.
 #86165  by JonnyBoy
 Thu Sep 02, 2010 10:25 pm
Think about all the death beams at the early 70's shows with the Wall of Sound. No where to run, no where to hide. :shock:
 #86171  by SarnoMusicSolutions
 Fri Sep 03, 2010 6:27 am
JonnyBoy wrote:Think about all the death beams at the early 70's shows with the Wall of Sound. No where to run, no where to hide. :shock:

I talked to a friend who was at some WOS shows, and he said at one fairground show, he was nearly a half mile away and the sound was clear as a bell. Hmmmmm..... I don't think the WOS was all that loud, so I don't think they killed people. But I bet that for each tower/array, like Jerry's for example, there probably was a very narrow zone right in front of his rig where it was exceptionally bright.


Brad
 #86233  by JonnyBoy
 Fri Sep 03, 2010 10:56 pm
they also used crossovers too, from what I thought I read about it they would split the frequencies into the different sized speakers. Maybe that was just vocals....either way that would cut down on death beams. But I couldn't imagine that set up being quiet. maybe with all the surface area they had moving air, it didn't have to be blistering loud. The D-120 can get loud though, maybe not like an E120, but still loud.

I have heard that claim about the wall of sound also, that it had a throw beyond its actual application up to a 1/2 mile. I can't imagine it being crystal clear after that much distance traveled, but it may have been for all I know :smile: .
 #95490  by helio
 Fri Mar 18, 2011 12:23 pm
I'm running two Sound Scaper 1x12s, stacked vertical. Using the on-the-floor-tilted model:

Prototype solutions for this:

- Old Maxon OD-9 under the bottom cab to provide tilt

- 4 rubber bands at each corner, on top of bottom cab, to keep top 1x12 from sliding off the back of the bottom cab.

This prototype served very well for two gigs, but I decided to give the poor OD-9 a break. Home Depot gave me the solutions:

- Tilt now provided by 2 industrial size door stops (wrapped in black gaffer tape to cover the awful yellow. Gives a 2" tilt clearance, which for our stage setups so far, fits pretty nicely with Brad's recommendations regarding the aiming of death rays, etc...

- Top cab now kept from sliding off bottom cab by a piece of the thin rubber matting you'd buy to keep a rug in place on a hardwood floor.

A combo that works wonders!

Door stops:

http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/sto ... reNum=2583

Rubber matting:

http://www.homedepot.com/Flooring-Area- ... ogId=10053
 #95500  by Stone
 Fri Mar 18, 2011 5:07 pm
I like the wedge HT style cab! Nice, I just started building a 1x12 HT style with a much less aggressive angle since it will sit atop a rack or some other type of case. Or if i want to use it old skool i can just rotate it. As a cabinet builder by trade i pretty much get free material and do it in the shop or on-site where im already set up. I just need to get some speaker clamps now.
 #96555  by Jon S.
 Fri Apr 08, 2011 6:20 am
Hi, Tracy. Still and always digging my SSP cab!

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 #108876  by davidl13
 Thu Feb 02, 2012 9:19 pm
for a very grateful dead type fix to vocal mic bleed... try the http://www.optogateonline.com ... it will turn your mic off automatically when you step away from the mic....stops all of that bleed intpo the vocal mic and cleans up the monitors and mains....it makes a huge difference.... i worked with the dead crew with these in the late 90's.... they loved them... the dead used a more difficult and expensive setup to achieve the same end, triggers under mats to the key inputs on gates... the optogate is way easier.... http://www.optogateonline.com contact me there with any questions.... btw - many major acts are using these.... sound engineers almost never mute mics (when you have one)...they are too worried and or/lazy that they will miss a cue.... and for them, bleed is better than a missed cue...

once i started using them, my ears didn't ring at the end of the night and i could hear everything way better....every band member could turn down since they didnt have to play louder than the monitor bleed....



full disclosure... i distribute this product, but i only do that after many years of use.... if these is one item you can buy that will make the entire band's sound clearer and cleaner... get optogates on all your vocal mics... big difference...

modz wrote:P.S. also don't point it at your vocal microphone. I have a carpet with marks on it for mic stand pedal board and speakers. I put an X (with duct tape) on the carpet about 2 feet back from the mic and that is the focus point of both of my cabs (stereo). Me my self I love standing there. Never point your cab toward the sound man:)
 #108887  by TI4-1009
 Fri Feb 03, 2012 6:54 am
I used to love how Phil, Bobby, and Jerry would step up to the mic to sing and then "take a step back" as soon as they were done to get off the mats. It was almost like a Dead version of Motown choreography. :wink:
 #108891  by davidl13
 Fri Feb 03, 2012 8:30 am
as far as wedge cabinets go, i have seen people use the old jbl cabaret series monitor cabs (model 4602) and i have used them as well...

as far as monitors go, i think they sound better than most cabinets available today (except for really high end stuff)...not made in china... .... they use e120 as their drivers (and a special bullet tweeter)...they are incredible....but to use as a guitar wedge, just disconnect the crossover and use the e120 or replace it with a k120 or d120... whatever sound you are into... they are front ported

i personally own 12 of these... they are great... and pretty compact....

http://www.google.com/imgres?hl=en&sa=X ... 29,r:5,s:0
 #108911  by claytushaywood
 Fri Feb 03, 2012 12:14 pm
Regarding beams. does anyone use the beam blockers from weber? seems like a good way for us treble freaks to allow the whole room to hear our treble. or is that beam better off just getting lost in the ceiling? i didnt realize the beam was so strong until i started playing with the treble up, i mean i always liked mic'ing close to dead on.

**weber beam blocker link-
http://www.webervst.com/blocker.html
 #108919  by davidl13
 Fri Feb 03, 2012 12:58 pm
also, for anyone who has tried the beam blocker? does it hinder your ability to find sweet spot controlled feedback??? that beautiful sustain type feedback used in an expressive way??? i have never tried them...

claytushaywood wrote:Regarding beams. does anyone use the beam blockers from weber? seems like a good way for us treble freaks to allow the whole room to hear our treble. or is that beam better off just getting lost in the ceiling? i didnt realize the beam was so strong until i started playing with the treble up, i mean i always liked mic'ing close to dead on.

**weber beam blocker link-
http://www.webervst.com/blocker.html