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 #110603  by guitarcats
 Tue Mar 06, 2012 12:33 am
I have a line on the Haz and was hoping to see if anyone has done a comparison and to see if its worth getting. I like the fact it looks just like the original without dropping the coin.
 #110608  by hippieguy1954
 Tue Mar 06, 2012 6:41 am
I've been using the Proton envelope filter. It is hand made by Spencer, who is 3leaf audio and a very nice person to deal with (no affiliation).
There are numerous threads in this forum about envelope filters. Do a search for envelope filters and you will get enoumous results.

Also, check out the Proton here: http://www.3leafaudio.com/products/prot ... pe-filter/ :smile: :smile: :smile:
 #110610  by Tennessee Jedi
 Tue Mar 06, 2012 7:41 am
hippieguy1954 wrote:I've been using the Proton envelope filter. It is hand made by Spencer, who is 3leaf audio and a very nice person to deal with (no affiliation).
There are numerous threads in this forum about envelope filters. Do a search for envelope filters and you will get enoumous results.

Also, check out the Proton here: http://www.3leafaudio.com/products/prot ... pe-filter/ :smile: :smile: :smile:
Q-Trons Mu-trons and Protons - oh my !
Hey man could you do a quick little vid of the proton ?
I know of one RUKINDER out there that is looking at getting one ...
Maybe you could help him w/ pulling the trigger !
+ if he gets one could try it out
:smile:
 #110621  by redeyedjim
 Tue Mar 06, 2012 10:20 am
I know this topic is basically resolved, but that's never stopped me before :lol:

I have both an original, recently recalibrated MUIII and a Proton, and while the Proton is a great little pedal, it's not a Mutron III. I would post a clip comparing the two I but broke my Proton over the weekend and it's currently on its way back to Spencer for repair (he's great guy, BTW, and is quick to answer email and support his gear).

I'm certainly not an expert, but having both pedals I can tell you the original MUIII has a syrupy quality to its output that the Proton just doesn't match. The Proton is great in its own way, though, and it does a very credible envelope filter effect, but the MUIII has an "organic" quality to its sound that's very, very sweet, with some nice warm overtones. I've never played the HAZ version of the MUIII so I can't comment on that. Same goes for the Q-Tron: I haven't played one, but it seems to be well liked on rukind.

I don't know if the above is helpful, but I'll post some A/B clips once I get the Proton back from Spencer.
 #110629  by hippieguy1954
 Tue Mar 06, 2012 1:48 pm
Tennessee Jedi wrote:
hippieguy1954 wrote:I've been using the Proton envelope filter. It is hand made by Spencer, who is 3leaf audio and a very nice person to deal with (no affiliation).
There are numerous threads in this forum about envelope filters. Do a search for envelope filters and you will get enoumous results.

Also, check out the Proton here: http://www.3leafaudio.com/products/prot ... pe-filter/ :smile: :smile: :smile:
Q-Trons Mu-trons and Protons - oh my !
Hey man could you do a quick little vid of the proton ?
I know of one RUKINDER out there that is looking at getting one ...
Maybe you could help him w/ pulling the trigger !
+ if he gets one could try it out
:smile:
Hey Jedi, I'd love to do a quick vid with the proton, but I'm not set up for vids or sound that I can easily post here, right now...sorry. If my memory serves me well, Spencer at 3leaf has sound clips on his web site. Also, he is adding an internal switch (on all new Protons) so the user can switch from a 47k resistor to a 68k for a longer, more Mutron-like decay!
Mine does not have the new internal switch, so Spencer is sending me the 68k resistor and instructions on changing it. I think it will sound even better with longer decay.
Personally, I am very happy with the Proton. It does have to be tweeked with its' controls, but so does the Mu-tron.
:smile: :smile: :smile:
 #110631  by redeyedjim
 Tue Mar 06, 2012 2:13 pm
hippieguy1954, I did the 68k resistor mod to my Proton and yes, it made the Proton much more Mutron-like in terms of decay, which was the one thing that bugged me about the Proton. The Proton's tone is still a little sterile when compared to the Mutron, but in terms of response and playability, it's a big improvement over the Tron effects in my Line6 M13. I'd rank these as Mutron III >>> Proton >>>>>>>>>>>Tron in M13. Take this for whatever it's worth.
 #110633  by hippieguy1954
 Tue Mar 06, 2012 2:31 pm
redeyedjim wrote:hippieguy1954, I did the 68k resistor mod to my Proton and yes, it made the Proton much more Mutron-like in terms of decay, which was the one thing that bugged me about the Proton. The Proton's tone is still a little sterile when compared to the Mutron, but in terms of response and playability, it's a big improvement over the Tron effects in my Line6 M13. I'd rank these as Mutron III >>> Proton >>>>>>>>>>>Tron in M13. Take this for whatever it's worth.
Yea redeyedjim, I always thought the decay was a tad short too. Otherwise, it does a great job and after I do the 68K resistor mod, it'll be very sweet.
:smile: :smile: :smile:
 #110634  by hippieguy1954
 Tue Mar 06, 2012 2:34 pm
Jedi, tell your friend if he doesn't like it, you will buy it from him for $150. And if you don't like it, I know I can get $130 for it. :lol:
:smile: :smile: :smile:
 #110639  by Tennessee Jedi
 Tue Mar 06, 2012 3:09 pm
hippieguy1954 wrote:Jedi, tell your friend if he doesn't like it, you will buy it from him for $150. And if you don't like it, I know I can get $130 for it. :lol:
:smile: :smile: :smile:
:-)
redeyedjim wrote:hippieguy1954, I did the 68k resistor mod to my Proton and yes, it made the Proton much more Mutron-like in terms of decay, which was the one thing that bugged me about the Proton.
interesting .... now I am really curious
:smile:
 #110649  by Jerry1996x
 Tue Mar 06, 2012 6:03 pm
would it be worth the coin to mod a mu3+ to original specs? i dont know how different they are. how big a difference would an effects loop make?
 #110651  by tigerstrat
 Tue Mar 06, 2012 7:13 pm
Jerry1996x wrote:would it be worth the coin to mod a mu3+ to original specs? i dont know how different they are. how big a difference would an effects loop make?
They are totally different circuits. The + is only MuTron-like on the outside.
 #110662  by hogan
 Wed Mar 07, 2012 6:07 am
I can haz mu-troncheezburgerz
 #110665  by Jon S.
 Wed Mar 07, 2012 7:03 am
redeyedjim wrote:hippieguy1954, I did the 68k resistor mod to my Proton and yes, it made the Proton much more Mutron-like in terms of decay, which was the one thing that bugged me about the Proton. The Proton's tone is still a little sterile when compared to the Mutron, but in terms of response and playability, it's a big improvement over the Tron effects in my Line6 M13. I'd rank these as Mutron III >>> Proton >>>>>>>>>>>Tron in M13. Take this for whatever it's worth.
Did you precede your Tron Up model w/the Boost Comp? It's the only, & indispensable, way to get a quality Tron sound out of the M13 - if I have time, I'll add pics of my M13 settings to this thread tonight.