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 #110743  by mkaufman
 Thu Mar 08, 2012 7:03 pm
I think using more speakers at a lower volume makes sense, but I have no personal experience.

I've been asking myself the same question. It's certainly easier carrying 1x12's.

mk
 #110757  by hippieguy1954
 Fri Mar 09, 2012 4:56 am
JonnyBoy wrote:I use to think that the sound would be so similar it didn't matter, but it makes a significant difference a 1x12 to a 2x12. I am back to a 2x12 because it just sounds better for the exact reasons brad mentioned.
+1 I have always noticed that a 2x12 is fuller than a 1x12 and (2) 2x12's is perfect for outside. :smile: :smile: :smile:
 #110764  by hippieguy1954
 Fri Mar 09, 2012 6:13 am
TRG wrote:Ok, thanks for the responses. I'm pulling the trigger on a 2x12 and will sell one of my 1x12s and keep the other for "home" level practicing.
Great choice! Best of both worlds lol! :smile: :smile: :smile:
 #110766  by TRG
 Fri Mar 09, 2012 6:19 am
hippieguy1954 wrote:
TRG wrote:Ok, thanks for the responses. I'm pulling the trigger on a 2x12 and will sell one of my 1x12s and keep the other for "home" level practicing.
Great choice! Best of both worlds lol! :smile: :smile: :smile:
Exactly, should've gone that route in the first place!
 #110795  by hippieguy1954
 Fri Mar 09, 2012 12:23 pm
TRG wrote:
hippieguy1954 wrote:
TRG wrote:Ok, thanks for the responses. I'm pulling the trigger on a 2x12 and will sell one of my 1x12s and keep the other for "home" level practicing.
Great choice! Best of both worlds lol! :smile: :smile: :smile:
Exactly, should've gone that route in the first place!
Yea funny you should say that! I've wished I had gone different routes in the first place several times lol. I know what ya mean. :smile: :smile: :smile:
 #110848  by petcat
 Fri Mar 09, 2012 11:53 pm
I've wished I had gone different routes in the first place several times lol.
Yes, there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run There's still time to change the road you're on...
 #110855  by hippieguy1954
 Sat Mar 10, 2012 3:54 am
petcat wrote:
I've wished I had gone different routes in the first place several times lol.
Yes, there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run There's still time to change the road you're on...
Shouldn't that be in quotes? :smile: :smile: :smile:
 #136397  by Pfallon
 Wed Feb 05, 2014 9:47 am
I know this is an old post but..
I used a large universal design 2x12 ported closed back cab for a few years it had pretty awesome punch but not so great clarity
I built an open back trapezoid 1x12 that is oversized and the driver is offset from center on both axis to further reduce standing wave
It sounds very clear and has no detectable standing wave resonance I've used it now for 25+ years and am just now building a 2x12 of similar design to work with a 150w / ch SMF SS power amp . I'm hoping to retain the clarity and gain clean volume.
I'll post again when it's up and running. One thought on 2 separate cabs is that if you run a mono signal there may be some phase cancellation for the listener if the cabs are separated. Similar to cancellation issues while stereo recording not using a point source mic
 #136398  by Jon S.
 Wed Feb 05, 2014 11:30 am
I have a comment and a question.

Comment - I recently sold my SSP 2X12 and replaced it with two SSP 1X12s. I can't really compare the two setups because the speakers were/are different (now I'm using a K120 and an E120 - one guess why I changed to 1X12s :lol: ) but I can say both sounded fine to me.

Question: If we (like Jer) are micing our speakers, how much does it really matter what size the cab is?
 #136399  by waldo041
 Wed Feb 05, 2014 12:02 pm
Mic'ing the cabinet is strictly for sound reinforcement. As a musician the rig and it's details should be dictated by his or her own ear first, the mic is only there to try and capture that. The size of the cab matters because there are waveforms coming out of the front as well as the back. Closing off the back eliminates the rear air from moving out and meeting the front air. Closed back, half open back, 3/4 open backs and completely open backs all have their own responses because of this. For instance, with any of the open back cabs the depth is a consideration for the speed at which the back air reaches the front air. Kimock is known to be hip to this! That said, speaker choice plays a big part in dictating what attributes are needed for a cabinet. If you dig enough on a particular speaker, the professional companies have already put in the time in figuring out just what is needed for a cabinet to mate it with. Ultimately though it is always up to what the musician wants out of a speaker(s) and the cabinet(s) it will go in. Remember, the sound man does not have a job if there are no musicians to reinforce. And good musicians know what is needed volume-wise, both stage and house, to achieve the dynamics they are trying to create.

~waldo
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 #136409  by Searing75
 Wed Feb 05, 2014 3:15 pm
I have found that one 12" in a cabinet is the best tone I have ever heard from my rig. I think the ability to drive the speaker more is a huge aspect to wonderful tone, especially with the jbl's.

I have a k120 in a small birch cab that I made. I played for years out of two twelves, but know now I was making a mistake in doing so. I always worried that one speaker would not be loud enough, but it is plenty loud for me at practice, gigs, indoors and out!
 #136432  by zoooombiex
 Thu Feb 06, 2014 11:12 pm
On the original question, I recall a thread over on TGP where a speaker designer weighed in and explained why there should be no difference between two 1x12s stacked on top of each other and the same size enclosure as a 2x12.
 #136434  by racecar
 Fri Feb 07, 2014 3:14 am
I have been using 2 1 x 12 cabs (forte 3d cabs) and I am very pleased with the results. I did this for two reasons.

1. Stereo separation (using 2 cabs made a big difference to me on stage)
2. Weight - Lugging 2 x 12's vs 2 1 x 12's. Big difference for me.

I like separating my two cabs by at least 8 to 12 inches and it gives me a fuller sound on stage. I can play at lower vol on stage because I can hear myself better. I could go through the monitors as well, but I find that throws me off for the tone I am trying to achieve.
YMMV