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 #140885  by Searing75
 Sat Aug 16, 2014 5:36 am
I understand the whole trying to break an amp up with gain, but in reality that's hard to do playing where most ofus do.

To answer your question about distortion/overdrive pedals. Yes, I used to have an MXR Dist + that I switched the clipping diodes in to silicon. This pedal was always on at it's lowest setting. Gain at zero, volume full. I then used other pedals for that lead overdrive when needed. Now I have an Earthdrive and use that as my always on pedal. It's at about one o clock drive, and it gives me that Mac break up growl sharpness. Then other pedals for needed overdrive. I use a Mac, and I really can't get it to break up cleanly. Give it a shot.

This may or may to help your thin highs.
 #140886  by Jon S.
 Sat Aug 16, 2014 5:53 am
one eyed jack wrote:Here is my issue.... when listening back to recent shows of my band, anytime I get up on the neck it sounds like the notes are dying,
This shouldn't be happening no matter what speaker you're using. And with that, PM me if I can be of any further assistance and best of luck to you with your rig!
 #140887  by chipperj
 Sat Aug 16, 2014 7:54 am
I use several overdrive/distortion type pedals. In order: MXR, Timmy, Earthdrive. The Earthdrive is pretty much always on. The Timmy for more chunk, and finally an MXR for extra hair (although rarely those last 2 together). In addition to thickening the overall sound, having the Earthdrive on after the MXR smooths out some of the harsh fuzzy-ness that would otherwise be there with just the MXR by itself.

Also on my board is an EP Boost. One of those would definitely thicken/sweeten your sound up. About $100. It also has a buffer in it,FWIW.
 #140907  by SarnoMusicSolutions
 Sat Aug 16, 2014 10:28 pm
Curious:

Is the neck a maple or rosewood fretboard?

Are the strings fresh for the gig or more than a few days old?

Pick type? Hard picker, light picker?






Brad
 #140912  by JDB30
 Sun Aug 17, 2014 8:26 am
one eyed jack wrote:First let me thank all of you in advance, I wouldn't have gotten as far as I have with my rig without trolling these forums and using the information that you all have graciously shared. Its been a great help!!
heres a break down of what I am playing:
Guitar-(jerrycaster) MIM Strat, Dimarzio Super 2 in bridge and Middle with coil taps, SDS1 in neck, DR tite fit 10's
Speakers-Custom Hard trucker style 2x12 cabinet with 2 eminence commonwealths
Amp- SMS preamp (Jerry model), Mosvalve power, furman power conditioner
effects- line6 m13 stomp box, mxr distortion +, Dunlop wah, ernie ball volume
order of rig: guitar > volume> Dunlop wah> mxr distortion> stomp box( bank 1 EQ for clean boost > bank 2 octave divider> bank 3 mutron modeler > bank 4 digital delay)> SMS> Mosvalve> 2x12 Cabinet
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Here is my issue.... when listening back to recent shows of my band, anytime I get up on the neck it sounds like the notes are dying, there Is none of that spanky, sparkly, snarly but clean Jerry tone. I'm also having trouble getting any clean break up without cranking the volume wide open and when I use my MXR its too heavy metal sounding in my opinion. Im usually playing middle pick up, split to single coil as instructed. Do I need to get the Buffer for the extra punch?

Thanks,
one eyed jack



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Try lowering your pickups and tell us what happens.
 #140913  by waldo041
 Sun Aug 17, 2014 9:30 am
JDB30 wrote:Try lowering your pickups and tell us what happens.

before trying this, try the rig with just the guitar ie.. no effects or volume pedal. Plug the guitar directly into the SMS Classic.

~waldo
 #140929  by one eyed jack
 Mon Aug 18, 2014 7:57 am
Curious:

Is the neck a maple or rosewood fretboard?

Are the strings fresh for the gig or more than a few days old?

Pick type? Hard picker, light picker?

Brad
Rosewood fretboard
DR tire fit 10's- use new strings for most every show
Adamas 2.0mm pick or Dunlop 2.0 mm
 #147057  by Pfallon
 Sun Jun 07, 2015 1:14 pm
I know this is an old thread-but a common problem.
All the advice about getting your guitar set up optimized is well taken.
I do use 2 ODs in my rig for different reasons. In my buffered fx loop I have the choice of MXR Dist+ or Boss HM2. I don't use them at the same time but to choose between '70s distortion and late '80s max distortion.
They are both pre set so they are available at the right level with the OBEL switch. Then the last thing in my signal path before the preamp is a boxed blaster that I set during sound check to get the loud clean tone that I want, making sure that ive got enough voulume and richness in the upper register. I set the blaster with my volume at 6-7 so there is still room to get a little crunchier during dynamic peaks and if I need. Some times I turn up the guitar but try to play softer and I can get some really nice texture to the clean tone and get distorted with a more aggressive pick attack.

Pat
 #147075  by SarnoMusicSolutions
 Mon Jun 08, 2015 9:01 am
I would say that these are the most likely culprits and in order of significance:

1 - Rosewood fretboard. Rosewood on a Strat naturally absorbs the upper belltone sustain. Rosewood fretboard is not your friend here.
2 - Buffer. The buffer is vital for the clarity and presence and the full range frequency response you'd want for a Jerry tone.
3 - New Strings - Remember that Jerry changed strings right before each show, and in some cases he even changed for 2nd set.



Brad
 #147077  by hippieguy1954
 Mon Jun 08, 2015 12:01 pm
Guitar volume knob finesse is also crucial. Those high notes need a lot more volume to not sound thin with a Jerry rig (especially with low action).
The whole Jerry rig/guitar set up/buffer in guitar/volume knob finesse all work together. It's a delicate balance and the volume knob finesse is the final as well as one of the most important controls. I'm constantly tweaking it while playing.