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 #54418  by astroman99
 Tue Jan 06, 2009 9:56 am
Hey ...very exciting news about The Dead touring :smile: ...if you could give Warren Haynes one piece or two of advice about his playing what would it be...
for me it would be Fatten up your tone, and stay away from the pentatonic blues scale.
Enjoy 8)
 #54422  by Tennessee Jedi
 Tue Jan 06, 2009 10:06 am
My advice would be to get a Strat or Tele and go with a THINNER CLUCKY Fender sound.
Warren is an amazing musician but his style just doesnt mesh with my view of the Dead.
Hey Warren will be fine but why no Mark Karan ?
:D
 #54424  by Pete B.
 Tue Jan 06, 2009 10:18 am
Only use the B-Bender on Box Of Rain.
 #54426  by amyjared
 Tue Jan 06, 2009 10:38 am
One piece of advice? Don't listen to anyone's advice and do your own thing because you already know exactly how to fit in!

Oh, and "do that killer version of Lively Up Yourself with the boys!" :lol:
 #54427  by Crazy 9.5 Fingers
 Tue Jan 06, 2009 11:39 am
I would say to keep on doin' what got you here. I doubt Warren even wants to sound like Jerry. I would also say to drive the rhythm and tempo hard. One thing I have noticed with either the Phil and Friends or Ratdog stuff, they all get into that same lazy tempo, late-late 90's-00's jam band groove thing. Kind of gets monotonous. Push that shit Warren, keep the band on their toes like Jerry did for years.
 #54428  by wisedyes
 Tue Jan 06, 2009 11:44 am
Wear black t-shirts - the Dead crowd likes that. The only thing I hope he does ( or really, doesn't do ) is overpower the rest of the band. His Soldano high gain tone is, to me, out of place with them- better to go for a cleaner, more Fenderish tone.

Outside of that, the boys picked him for who he is, not what he isn't, so do what got you here.
 #54430  by strumminsix
 Tue Jan 06, 2009 12:33 pm
Find how to be Warren and Warren with the Dead.

Not change but maybe exploit the WH things that are more jammy jamband than southern rockin' jamband.
 #54432  by waldo041
 Tue Jan 06, 2009 12:50 pm
strumminsix wrote:Find how to be Warren and Warren with the Dead.

Not change but maybe exploit the WH things that are more jammy jamband than southern rockin' jamband.
well said! warren is great, and i know he will never be jerry! but the farther he takes it into warren (abb,gov't mule) space, the farther away from the core sound it should be. less can be more and if warren were listening, I'd request that he immersed himself into what the boy's already have, and join in. rather than have them go his way, maybe go there way. hope that makes sense. in my warren/dead experience, he made it unpleasant and more "warren" sounding then dead. great player, but imo, not the right man for the job.

peace,
waldo
 #54433  by astroman99
 Tue Jan 06, 2009 12:51 pm
caspersvapors wrote:warren haynes fatten up his tone? seriously?
Well, he always has a lot of crunch/distortion but unlike Jerry or me it seems kind of tinny or thin,if he were to hit a note and hold it it wouldn't open around the edges. I don't know how else to describe it.
 #54434  by tigerstrat
 Tue Jan 06, 2009 12:56 pm
Warren AGAIN?? Really. Huh.
 #54436  by wisedyes
 Tue Jan 06, 2009 1:14 pm
Myself, I always thought that Jerry had one of the thinnest, weakest, just overall crappy distorted sounds I ever heard. BUT, in the greater context of the whole band, it usually sounded pretty good. Isolated on a good quality board, though, and Jerry's distorted tone, at least to me, left lots to be desired.

So how your individual sonic signature fits in with the greater entity is definitely a huge consideration. I certainly don't think of Warren's overdriven tone as thin or weak at all, but actually too strong for the Dead. They tend to play very clean. So, for me, leave the Soldanos at home and break out a Twin Reverb - you know you have one.
 #54438  by Tennessee Jedi
 Tue Jan 06, 2009 1:26 pm
wisedyes wrote:Myself, I always thought that Jerry had one of the thinnest, weakest, just overall crappy distorted sounds I ever heard. BUT, in the greater context of the whole band, it usually sounded pretty good. Isolated on a good quality board, though, and Jerry's distorted tone, at least to me, left lots to be desired.
:shock:
:roll:
:x
Gotta say I love Jerry's tones -all of 'em !
Warren should play clean more - that would fit the mold a bit better.
:D
 #54439  by krzykat
 Tue Jan 06, 2009 1:29 pm
I do think he should use the SG instead of the les paul