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 #10174  by phpbb
 Wed Nov 08, 2006 9:33 pm
yes, there is a denver "law" stating that having an ounce of dope is legal for those over 21:

http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/4570.html

however, as strumminsix points out, this law is not really universal, and only applies to Denver Cops. If you got pulled over by a state trooper in Denver, the law would not apply to you.

The law that was on the ballot this year was a state wide initiative, instead of a city wide initiative.

 #10176  by hotasaPistol
 Wed Nov 08, 2006 11:01 pm
wtf are you guys smokin"????
ain't gonna happen...
it makes too much sense to legalize it and tax it and save something with the revenue...............

to many middlemen, revenooers or whatever....

the outlaw,renegade, lunatic fringe will always be beating OUR heads against the proverbial wall.....

lay low fly under the radar and do your thing...
get your card or whatever....


paying for the privelige to be an outlaw renagade lunatic fringe kind of person is worse than being one.....

God knows I have tried to be resposible and drink too much.......and smoke less than I should...
Hey you smokin' mother nature ...this is a bust


Keep Moving forward ...never straight


hotasaPistol but cool inside.......

 #10182  by strumminsix
 Thu Nov 09, 2006 8:42 am
One thing I never understood about this issue is party affiliation. Most DeadHeads that I know have two things in common:
1 - They smoke pot and are adamant and angry that it is illegal
2 - They vote Dem

Seems to me that a 3rd party that favors making pot legal and releasing most dealers would be one getting their vote.

Can't see how the Dem party looks attractive in this camp seeing as how the big blue states (CA & IL) are getting so strict with cig smoking that I can't ever see a pot smoker enjoying a puff. Can't smoke in bars, near parks, near doors, etc...

 #10184  by amyjared
 Thu Nov 09, 2006 9:27 am
Can't see how the Dem party looks attractive in this camp seeing as how the big blue states (CA & IL) are getting so strict with cig smoking that I can't ever see a pot smoker enjoying a puff. Can't smoke in bars, near parks, near doors, etc...
So what you're saying is, vote Republican? No, there is only a two-party system in the US, contrary to what you were taught. Two parties rule and otherwise you're really wasting a vote, at least for now.

I like some of the previous posts, and do agree that it all comes back to $$, but there is MORE, WAY MORE to be made from legalization than from keeping it illegal, even for the gov't. The only good thing about it being illegal is that it creates bonding friendships.

"The worst thing about marijuana being illegal is that it makes criminals of all the nicest people in the world." -Alan Ginsberg

 #10185  by strumminsix
 Thu Nov 09, 2006 9:44 am
amyjared wrote:
Can't see how the Dem party looks attractive in this camp seeing as how the big blue states (CA & IL) are getting so strict with cig smoking that I can't ever see a pot smoker enjoying a puff. Can't smoke in bars, near parks, near doors, etc...
So what you're saying is, vote Republican? No, there is only a two-party system in the US, contrary to what you were taught. Two parties rule and otherwise you're really wasting a vote, at least for now.
That's too pessimistic for me to even reply. It is a 2 party system in the white house but not anywhere lower.

 #10187  by waldo041
 Thu Nov 09, 2006 10:14 am
all bullsh%$ aside, people NEED this stuff for medicinal purposes. it has NO reason for being denied to those in need.
IT IS A CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY!

This is where the push for legalization should start! if it helps NAY sayers to uncloud there eyes and see, or helps them stop vomiting during chemo therapy. they will also see that it is NO harm and has MANY benefits.

until then it will be a long time if it ever gets legal.

my 2 cents.

peace,
waldo

 #10200  by strumminsix
 Thu Nov 09, 2006 2:01 pm
waldo041 wrote:all bullsh%$ aside, people NEED this stuff for medicinal purposes. it has NO reason for being denied to those in need.
IT IS A CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY!
AMEN!

It's funny the left says socialized healthcare, the right says private healthcare but neither seem to give 2 shits on the quality of life...

 #10202  by BayAreaBB
 Thu Nov 09, 2006 2:27 pm
Big Tobacco runs this country and there is no way that they would allow marijuana sales to erode their hold on this country. I know smoking pot and tobacco are two different things, but it is looked at as a threat and they have all the $$$ needed to sway bills/politicians their way. If it can't pass here in California, or even a city within this state, it ain't passin'.

 #10203  by strumminsix
 Thu Nov 09, 2006 2:41 pm
BayAreaBB wrote:Big Tobacco runs this country and there is no way that they would allow marijuana sales to erode their hold on this country. I know smoking pot and tobacco are two different things, but it is looked at as a threat and they have all the $$$ needed to sway bills/politicians their way. If it can't pass here in California, or even a city within this state, it ain't passin'.
LOL! Seriously, if pot ever gets legalized for distrubtion like liquor the cigarrette companies will be making big bucks with production & distribution since the already have the infrastructure.

Additionally, cigs are seen as lifestyle while alcohol would be scene as recreational. IF anything, the beer folks should be shaking in their boots if it was ever legal.

It can't get passed in the Bay or the Left Coast (joking) cuz it is illegal federally.

 #10206  by Crazy 9.5 Fingers
 Thu Nov 09, 2006 3:15 pm
As I said earlier, no one has anything to lose including big tobacco. Business 101 would say pot cigarettes are an innovation to the industry, and as someone said here beofre they have the infrastructure, more importantly, they have the land and distribution channels.

 #10226  by weedar
 Thu Nov 09, 2006 8:37 pm
Man it's so weird to think of the possibilites you have when voting in the
US: Democrat, Republican or...Ross Perot? :?

Here in Norway there are the following major parties:
Høyre,Venstre,Fremskrittspartiet,Kristelig Folkeparti, Sosialistisk
Venstreparti, Arbeiderpartiet and Senterpartiet. In addition to all of those
there are several smaller ones (like the Greens! They're for pot :D )

My issue here is that it seems you don't really have any choice in the US,
both parties are pretty right-winged, right? Call me a communist, but
socialistic parties have a tendency to make things better for everyone,
not just the rich - tax cuts don't impress me, free healthcare does!

But back to the point at hand, I'm a bit discouraged that these states
voted no, especially if one of them lost because of that underage-crap.
More and more countries are legalizing (or rather, decriminalizing, due to
a UN Convention all drugs have to be illegal on paper) and if more
states in the US and parts of Canada legalized...Well, then there might
even be a hope for Norway, people here believe pot is The Great Evil,
probably worse than all those terrorists we're so afraid of.

 #10229  by Jimkkc
 Fri Nov 10, 2006 5:45 am
I guess I need to turn in my DeadHead Card because I don't smoke pot anymore, I don't see why so many folks have worked themselves into a lather over these votes, and finally, because I find it hard to believe that people are surprised by the votes.

I think the last post has it right - the real issue is medical care: why does the U.S run health care as a for-profit industry. Unfortunately, we all know the answer to this. If anything, this is a crime against humanity.

I think Waldo(?) also has it right - pot bills should be aimed at Medicianl Use; I believe that if an amendment's wording and subsequent campaign focuses on medicinal use, it has a chance.

Don't get me wrong, pot should be at minimum decriminalized; however, the majority of the voters think otherwise and probably will for many years to come. I have no idea how the two campaigns in question were run, but I would wager that both campaigns suffered from a lack of cash and other p.r. related issues. Until those issues are addressed, the majority of voters will not change their opinion. Part of this includes meeting people where they are at politically - which means speaking to all voters not just one who are likely to vote in favor of the amendment.

One poster I believe mentioned something of how this is a environmental issue - I might be wrong on this so correct me if this is the case - If I am reading that post correctly, I agree; at the same time however, how many of us still drive environmentally "bad" vehicles (i.e. the VW Bus and similar "hippie" vehicles or even the SUV's?) If you want to do something for the environment and stay out of jail, put down the joint and ride Mass Transit if you are an urbanite or carpool; walk ride a bike or even trade the SUV in for a Prius . . .

At the risk of being an outlaw,I'm going to Starbucks! (Think what you want about Starbucks, but how many of the local "cool" coffeeshops can offer health benefits to part-time workers?)

"To live outside the law you must be honest" B. Dylan

 #10230  by strumminsix
 Fri Nov 10, 2006 6:22 am
weedar wrote: My issue here is that it seems you don't really have any choice in the US,
both parties are pretty right-winged, right? Call me a communist, but
socialistic parties have a tendency to make things better for everyone,
not just the rich - tax cuts don't impress me, free healthcare does!
Both right winged? Not at all. Where has communism ever been successful? It may be good for some people but not all and it is definately not good for the prosperity of the nation.

 #10234  by shakedown_04092
 Fri Nov 10, 2006 7:44 am
Jimkkc wrote:urbanite
That word reminds me of a quote:

"So what's a strapping young urbanite like you doing in a rustic setting like this?"

And it almost pertains to the subject at hand.

Any takers on guessing the movie??? C'mon, I know one of you out there can get it!

 #10235  by Crazy 9.5 Fingers
 Fri Nov 10, 2006 8:06 am
Sounds like Blazing Saddles. Though I thought it was dazzling urbanite. Either way, friggin hilarious.