rukind.com

Grateful Dead Music Forum

A place to talk about the music of the Grateful Dead 

Sell and buy at your own risk...
 #110808  by hippieguy1954
 Fri Mar 09, 2012 1:53 pm
Pete B. wrote:
hippieguy1954 wrote:
Pete B. wrote:The Post guitars that don't come with Buffer/OBEL could be used with a Buffer/oBEL Pedal (oBEL = Out-Board Effects Loop).
I believe Waldo has made at least a few.
'May be a bid'ness op there.
Id rather have the buffer/obel in the guitar. It's very convinient and not very hard to install. They do come with the buffer/obel installed for about $250 more.
:smile: :smile: :smile:
The Buffer/0BEL Pedal costs about $75 as I recall, and you can use it with any instrument you own.
I think of it as an "option" that would be attractive to some with multiple axes.
I also have a Tiger Modded Strat, too.
I would love to do a blind test for you guys and see if you could tell which is which.
I don't think I would be able to tell by listening to a home recording through the computer speaker, but if I was there I would here a subtle difference. That is all!
:smile: :smile: :smile:
 #110814  by hippieguy1954
 Fri Mar 09, 2012 2:10 pm
Adam Deckard wrote:no you wouldn't
Please, spare me. I know what I hear. :smile: :smile: :smile:
 #110818  by Adam Deckard
 Fri Mar 09, 2012 2:19 pm
Pete B. wrote:I would love to do a blind test for you guys and see if you could tell which is which.


Let's do this!
 #110824  by Pete B.
 Fri Mar 09, 2012 4:18 pm
Anyone can do this test if you have a buffer.
Trial 1A: Buffer is 6 inches from pickup.
Trial 1B: Buffer is 10 feet from pickup.

That's about all the difference there is between an OBEL and a oBEL.
 #110830  by waldo041
 Fri Mar 09, 2012 4:57 pm
Pete B. wrote:Anyone can do this test if you have a buffer.
Trial 1A: Buffer is 6 inches from pickup.
Trial 1B: Buffer is 10 feet from pickup.

That's about all the difference there is between an OBEL and a oBEL.
try the same tests 1A & 1B with guitar volume full on and then try it with the guitar volume at Half(1/2) and see what the difference is once you add resistance to that cable capacitance.

peace,
waldo
 #110834  by Pete B.
 Fri Mar 09, 2012 6:38 pm
Believe me, I have.
My other Strat has just that cap in there to prevent tone loss.
But I use other guits with the oBEL pedal that are stock, and also sound fine to me.
My total cord length with the Buffer pedal is only 10ft, compared to like 30ft with the OBEL.
I could gig either way and... only my hairdresser would know (OBEL or oBEL).
I'm thinkin' Troy knows this too. He makes/sells Jerry inspired gutars without OBEL.
Either way, I'm still using your buffer (I've got two now).
Thanks, Man!
 #110841  by eric
 Fri Mar 09, 2012 9:54 pm
So, please entertain my question . ..

If you have a volume pedal at the end of your chain...and your guitar vol is 75-100%...

Would any there be discernible difference in tone from oBEL or OBEL?
 #110857  by hippieguy1954
 Sat Mar 10, 2012 4:08 am
waldo041 wrote:
Pete B. wrote:Anyone can do this test if you have a buffer.
Trial 1A: Buffer is 6 inches from pickup.
Trial 1B: Buffer is 10 feet from pickup.

That's about all the difference there is between an OBEL and a oBEL.
try the same tests 1A & 1B with guitar volume full on and then try it with the guitar volume at Half(1/2) and see what the difference is once you add resistance to that cable capacitance.

peace,
waldo
+1 That is what I'm thinking. There has to be a difference. Maybe slight difference, but the ears that are used to the tone we seek will hear/notice it.
:smile: :smile: :smile:
 #110987  by TI4-1009
 Mon Mar 12, 2012 4:24 pm
POST TIGER ON EBAY?

I certainly will NOT, my Tiger is staying right here!

Ohhhhhh, I get it.

Nevermind........

;-)