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Musical Theory Abound!!!
 #18882  by lyghtningod
 Mon Jun 25, 2007 10:03 pm
I play a lot of bluegrass, and one thing I find helpful is to figure out what the first note of the melody is and let your ear guide you from there, but that assumes you know scales and such.

But basically, learn to play the melody and the chords. If you learn one without the other, you haven't quite gotten there. Next would be to figure out what scale is being used, then learn to play that scale all over the fret board.

I ran into a friend of mine today. SHe was coming out of her lesson as I was heading in to mine. Last week I had told her to try ear training for five minutes at a time. She told me today that it had been a great help. It didn't feel like work, there was no pressure, and she felt she had made a lot of progress.

Good luck

 #20423  by Tom Banjo
 Fri Jul 13, 2007 6:10 pm
well i dunno if this is the "correct" way to do it but i usually just look at the chords of the song and follow those but play leads. it's hard to explain but just use the single notes within the chords to make up the leads, i dunno if this makes any sense at all but it seems to work for me. if i'm jamming with somebody though usually i'll use a scale in the key of the jam to free things up a little bit.

 #20491  by Shaggy
 Sat Jul 14, 2007 11:32 am
nicolasalk wrote:this fucking questin has been asked so many times
So whats the answer wise guy!? :-)

 #20492  by Currtwuzheere
 Sat Jul 14, 2007 11:35 am
Tom Banjo wrote:well i dunno if this is the "correct" way to do it but i usually just look at the chords of the song and follow those but play leads. it's hard to explain but just use the single notes within the chords to make up the leads, i dunno if this makes any sense at all but it seems to work for me. if i'm jamming with somebody though usually i'll use a scale in the key of the jam to free things up a little bit.
thats what i do, with a few changes added in

 #20540  by gratephulphish123
 Sun Jul 15, 2007 3:52 pm
strumminsix wrote:Now rock tunes, I struggle.... :oops:
rock tunes are the easiest man, pentatonics all the way. listen to kieth richards sympathy for the devil solo. it's the quintissential "rock" solo imo.

 #20858  by razmablues
 Thu Jul 19, 2007 9:12 am
Tom Banjo wrote:well i dunno if this is the "correct" way to do it but i usually just look at the chords of the song and follow those but play leads. it's hard to explain but just use the single notes within the chords to make up the leads, i dunno if this makes any sense at all but it seems to work for me.
the term is arpeggiating? if that's a word anyway...

if you're doing your leads by just hitting notes in the chord you're using arpeggios. they are great, and something i struggle with.

my goal is to be able to outline the chords with the arpeggios, while using well chosen passing tones to go from chord to chord, or even note to note within a chord.

 #22733  by mrMix
 Wed Aug 22, 2007 4:15 pm
Know the chords of the tune
Arpeggios for the chords
Pick a scale and go!
Play what you feel
No wrong notes...just passing tones

 #22736  by nicolasalk
 Wed Aug 22, 2007 4:31 pm
Shaggy wrote:
nicolasalk wrote:this fucking questin has been asked so many times
So whats the answer wise guy!? :-)
don't know :oops:
 #33006  by jjbankhead
 Mon Dec 17, 2007 1:35 am
I dont want to hijack this thread but when it comes to arpeggios i assume you dont just mean strumming up and down through the bar chord or open chord.

is this built off finding different places on the neck where you can find the triad and pick thru the notes?

i saw a guitar world video with John from the chili peppers doing these arpeggios from the bar cords (the kind JIMI and JERRY USE where you only play the high four strings) then he does these cool hammer ons from the arpeggio. i only saw this video once while it was on on-demand and never quite got the hang of/ feel for it.

he was referencing one of his songs that he developed from learning little wing

so my question i guess is: are there more specifics you gurus can lend toward the arpeggios/ arpeggiating?

so far in know my major/minor/ penatonics/ blues/ mixolydian/ minor harmonic scales pretty well.

i need to learn how to develop better licks and melodies from these scales.

so far all i do is run thru the scale as i jam along with the closing of winter land or something

 #33011  by old man down
 Mon Dec 17, 2007 5:08 am
Humming. Never have liked that approach. More of a distraction than an aid, but most likely a personal problem with me. There is no way I could hum most of the Garcia licks I'd like to play. They're too far out.

Isn't humming like reading with your lips?

For my leads:

1) Learn the chords of the song.
2) Determine the major scale associated with the song and familiarize yourself with its template relative to the chords.
3) Listen to someone elses lead played to those chords to get your starting notes for each specific lead.
4) Keep learning more of the lead as you recognize how each note belongs to the major scale.
5) Settle on a version of the lead and stick with it for the short term.
6) Keep the lead in your repetoire so that you don't forget it.
7) Around a year later you will find that you do it your own way, and most likely with incredible bravado at times. At that point you own it. You then have the license to play it anyway you want.

 #33033  by Pete B.
 Mon Dec 17, 2007 10:25 am
A good example of a Jerry G arpegio solo is the studio track of Touch of Grey solo.
I'd say ~80% or more of that solo is direct ascending/descending arpegios, based mostly on the top 3-4 strings.

 #33034  by old man down
 Mon Dec 17, 2007 10:37 am
Another good example of Garcia doing arps, from much earlier in his career, hence he's a little stiffer, more like us most likely, is the studio cut of Sugaree, when he starts moving up the neck from the low E chord to the F#m, C#m, A, E, B, C#m, gaining altitude here with the barre chords, A, E.

 #33071  by shakedown_04092
 Mon Dec 17, 2007 10:41 pm
How do you play a lead????

You kick over a fucking amp, down some booze, throw your head back, and rock out with you cock out!!!! :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool:


THAT'S how you play a lead!!!



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 #33104  by tigerstrat
 Tue Dec 18, 2007 10:26 am
How do you play a lead????

Underage at a funky bar:

1. Step outside
2. Smoke yourself a J.
3. Go back in the room.
4. Everything just seems to move.
5. Turn that amp up loud.
6. Begin to play->
->
IF It's late in the evening
THEN Blow that room away.
ELSE Do NOT blow that room away