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 #5309  by vermont4jerry
 Thu May 04, 2006 3:44 pm
alright so i heard this story one time that on the night of the gate crashing jerry received a death threat before the first set and so the boys decided to throw dire wolf in... has anyone heard a similar story or is this just made up hippie lore that makes the dead that much cooler?

i hope somebody can help me out with this cause i grew up five minutes from where it happened and i remember it happening

 #5310  by strumminsix
 Thu May 04, 2006 4:11 pm
Yes that is true. Before the gate crashing a death threat was received and the did keep the house lights on throughout the show.

When the gate came crashing down the extra security needed to help keep the scene sane meant few for the band.

Because of that security said they would not be in the stadium for the next night and they cancelled the show.

That's how I recall it...
 #5312  by phreaker
 Thu May 04, 2006 4:54 pm
Hey man, check out "Gate Crashers Suck" by Keller Williams. They got some good live versions on, and it's on his "Stage" Cd.

 #5326  by waldo041
 Fri May 05, 2006 5:13 am
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 #5327  by vermont4jerry
 Fri May 05, 2006 7:37 am
Thanks for all the info everyone... great stuff about the setlist and when the gates came down... Waldo did you camp out at Forest Park for that show? I remember my mom always taking my brothers and I over there when the dead heads came to town to check it out.

 #5336  by phpbb
 Fri May 05, 2006 10:50 am
Is that the camp ground near the river?

 #5346  by tigerstrat
 Fri May 05, 2006 3:36 pm
I was high on the lawn on Phil's side during Desolation when I looked across to the opposite side of the lawn and began to see wave upon wave of what at first appeared to be Huns or Saxons or maybe Mongols ("stupid Mongolians-tearing down my shitty-wall!") pouring over and through the fence. Then suddenly, people coming from behind me were sprinting down the hill all around me, and I had to actively avoid getting run over (instead of dancing to the music as I had been doing a few seconds before)... the second set was PACKED after that... and the Fire On The Mountain had ONE verse before it careened into Victim. Very weird.

It turned out to be my last show ever, because I came down with the mumps the day of the first Soldier... TOO weird!

Forest Park is the town park in Noblesville, I have a story about that too- in 1989, the FIRST year of Deer Creek, I was with my friends after the (single) show and we needed a place to camp, so we actually asked a cop in the ALDI Foods parking lot where we could go. He told us how to get to Forest Park and that we could just camp there. So my 2 friends and I trundle over in our little Tercel and pitch a tent in the middle of this HUGE forested park... deserted except for one other vehicle camping there, a VW Bus. Sweet peaceful crash spot after a tremendous show (7/15/89)... the following year, 1990, I'm heading down to the (2) shows w/some friends, telling them about this spot I know where we can camp, so we go before the shows to scope out a nice spot in Forest Park and... the park is COVERED with wall-to-wall Deadheads!! We barely found a spot left to camp. But it was still free...

The NEXT year... the city finally got wise and was now charging $20 a vehicle!! And the cops had become MUCH meaner...
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 #5348  by vermont4jerry
 Fri May 05, 2006 4:01 pm
thanks for the post tiger... that's an awesome story, i'm glad i've finally heard it from someone who was there

phpbb, yes that's the place by the river

 #5353  by phpbb
 Fri May 05, 2006 5:38 pm
the image at the top of the home page is actually a picture taken at the 91 Deer Creek Shows. I am in there somewhere.

 #5381  by O' Tim
 Sun May 07, 2006 9:51 am
Interesting times, indeed. I remember paying $20 bucks to park in some guys yard a half mile away because it was quicker to walk than to wait in the line for the main lot (which probably would've been full by the time we got there).

The gate crashing sucked, and I think along with the deck collapse in St. Louis it was karma's way of confirming that the scene had become overrun by immature over-the-top ragers who were just there for the party and didn't give a flip about the music. They'd always been around to a degree since I started seeing shows in 1981, but by '95 it was definitely like the NSB lyric "this darkness got to give."

FWIW - I don't mean to be insensitive about those who died on the deck - it's very sad that it came to that.

Jerry's death was a blow to all of us who loved him, but sometimes I think that there was more to his passing than just his health/drug addiction.

 #5382  by tigerstrat
 Sun May 07, 2006 12:29 pm
Perhaps it could be viewed a sort of generic omen of Jerry's impending death but I don't see how a tragic accident like the deck collapse reflects the bad eggs of the scene that precipitated the fence-crashing, bottle-throwing riot at Deer Creek in 95. [/i]
 #5630  by whitelacestrange
 Mon May 15, 2006 8:57 pm
you'd have to be really fucked in the head to give jerry a death threat.
maybe the guy just wanted them to do dire wolf?

 #5706  by waldo041
 Sun May 21, 2006 7:11 am
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 #6431  by nedcat
 Fri Jun 16, 2006 7:30 pm
I was there with my RV and hated every second of that crash. DISPISED the little college jerkoffs that broke the kharma....hope they are all dead and very un-grateful.

 #6432  by strumminsix
 Fri Jun 16, 2006 7:42 pm
Ned, did you really see the group who did it?
Seems to me from video that it was a flood of people.

IMO, the people crashing the gate and the people
flooding in are equally to blame.

At that time I saw more dirty begging wookies in the lot
than I saw "college jerkoffs" just looking to get high.

But I wasn't there. Sadly, the scene was not a hippie scene when I got on the bus.